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Eric Strulowitz

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Georgia's Ghost Courses
« on: July 03, 2017, 10:16:49 PM »
The recent issue of Golf Georgia magazine had a feature on "Georgia's Ghost Courses".  I thoroughly enjoyed this article, it talked about many course that have been long gone from the Georgia golfing scene but not forgotten. There courses were Altlanta International, Canterbury Golf Club, Coastal Pines Golf Club, Durham Lakes Golf and Country Club, Gold Creek Golf CLub, Grand Island Club, Greene Country Club, Green Valley Country Club, Greystone Country Club, Hidden Hills Country Club, Lakeside Country Club, Metropolitan Golf and Tennis Club, Southerness Golf Club, Pineisle Resort at Lake Lanier, Sky View and Garden View Courses at Callaway Gardens, Centernnial Golf Club, and  Long Shadow Golf Club.   Many memories of these courses, have played them all.  Will share a few, and if others have comments, would love if you shared


Canterbury Golf Club:  I was a member there many years.  A true country club with pool, tennis courts, amazing clubhouse.  The course was designed by a no name, but a great layout, enjoyed by players at all levels and it was so walkable, you seldom saw carts out there.  The memory I have of this club was the huge deck off the 18th hole.  Dozens upon dozens would congregate here after their rounds and many days we would be there to late at night.  Friendships and comraderie prevailed, and I remember many nights they would keep that deck open and it was way past dark, just enjoying great food and conversation.  The members really got a bad deal.  The club was owned by an Asian gentlemen, who sold the club to a group of club members.  These members told us that this would become a "members club",because it was owned and run by members.  Well, eventually the club was sold to developers. so much for the "members club" and Canterbury was a thing of the past.  My heart went out to those who had homes on the fairways with beautful views, and now had nothing but cookie cutter homes to look out.  Canterbury was my favorite golf course to play and socialize at, will never forget it.


Hidden Hills Country CLub:  This was such a wonderful layout, playable for golfers at all levels.  I remember being invited to many wonderful functions in the clubhouse.  The neighborhood and adjacent area went into complete decline, the closing of the course seemed imminent.  I remember of my last rounds there, a scruffy looking guy, clearly some kind of addict, trying to sell me his bicycle in the parking lot.  You knew the end was near.  To this day, this entire area remains crime infested and the schools are beyond pathetic.     It has really gone downhill.


Centennial Golf Cub:  Maybe the worst golf club I have ever played.  Nothing memorable about it, I remember a meandering creek that sucked a lot of balls if you were not familiar with the course, and I seem to recall that a few tee shots could hit other players teeing off if their shots were wayward.  I remember my partner and I leaving this place, never wanting to go back.  No loss for the Atlanta market.


Atlanta International"  This was originally called Snapfinger Woods Golf CLub and it was an absolute gem.  Very walkable and playable, and some gorgeous lakes and tree lined holes.  The one memory I have of this course is that there were some holes that were very much built on wetlands, and I saw more snakes on this course than anywhere else.  Seldom a time I did not see a snake slithering in the rough or in the water.  The area experienced the same decline as Hidden Hills, crime infested, poor schools, and eventually became Atlanta International, but that did not last long. 


Greystone Golf CLub;  A really great public track with some amazing rock formations.  Very playable.  Could not believe it closed, it was as good as public golf gets.


Gold Creek Golf Club:  Out in the middle of no where, this  place was great.  The golf was great, and I know they had hopes of making this a site for conventions, golf outings, etc.  This was a Mike Young design if I recall, he did a great job, I was shocked to call for a tee time and find that it had closed.  The place had potential, it was an absolute gem.


Callaway Gardens:  I was saddened to learn that the Sky View and Garden View courses have closed.  I have not played the Mountain Course there is some years, it was the home of PGA golf, but hope it can stay vialble.  I have heard reports that the resort is in decline, no surprise really, what is there to attract young people, who could care less about the Gardens and beautful scenery.  Personally, I loved the place and the nearby town Pine Mountain. very southern and hospitalble.


Long Shadow:  I played this the same day I played Cuscowilla.  I had yet to play golf overseas, so this course gave me a taste of  some links like features and a few holes looked like Scotland, with the lack of trees, wide fairways, and tall grass.  The conditions of the course were not good, fairways were brown and thin, and I just had the feeling that it was not doing well. A shame, I loved the layout and with all the golf in that area, wonder if it will ever open again.  I hope so and wish it well


Many of these courses that are now gone were public.   They are gone but not forgotten as stated in this article  The public golf scene in Atlanta is really poor, while the private scene has unbelievable venues and I sense that many clubs are once again prospering.  There is very little space left in our city and I wonder if another public venue will ever be built.


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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 09:04:47 AM »
Eric,
Good thread; thanks.

I, too, played most of these.  The reasons they are gone varies, but increasing land values, especially in metro Atlanta, is of course the biggest.  Canterbury, Centennial, and several of the others fall into that category.  I'm not sure what happened to Southerness; it may have simply been too much competition from the Canongate chain on that end of Atlanta.  The same may be true of Durham Lakes, which I wasn't aware had closed.  Durham Lakes, btw, was a terrific layout that was NEVER in good shape and apparently NEVER on sound financial footing; it may have been a poster child for the golf boom with developers believing that ANY real estate development anchored by a golf course would be a huge success.  Coastal Pines might fall into a similar category on the coast; not good enough to compete with the high end courses, and not cheap enough to survive as a mass market course, plus being off the beaten path a bit.

In other cases, it's much harder to understand what happened, and Gold Creek is a leading example of that.  I've heard a ton of stories about ownership changes and land deals, but the bottom line is that bad management turned a really good and profitable golf course into a big field. 

Another course that may be headed to the list is Lanier Golf Club.  It's a Joe Lee design, and as a private club had one of the best playing memberships in the state and a scratch points game that was really stout.  It's been involved in a land deal mess for years now, but that has only postponed what seems to be inevitable.  It's a shame, too.

I've sort of assumed that Pineisle went away because Lanier Islands was somewhat cheaper and a LOT better golf course; Pineisle was, at least to me, a 4 hour exercise in hitting to a target and avoiding drowning your ball.  I remember it as being the home of a thousand or so forced carries over fingers of the lake; that could be just me.  But in the days before GPS and range finders, it was one frustrating place to play, as you constantly tried to figure out how far to hit the next shot in order to lay up.

Though I don't live in Georgia anymore, I still get back there quite a bit, and still have an attachment to Georgia golf and golf courses.  I'm hopeful that Longshadow will someday reopen, in spite of a really tough demographic. 

I will differ with you on Centennial.  I played a lot of golf there for a few years early on, and when it was in good condition, I really enjoyed it.  There was a lot of variety to both the land and the holes, plus it was affordable public golf, something that then and now is in short supply on the north end.  In the later years, the conditioning of the course really declined, but I liked Centennial quite a lot.
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John_Cullum

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 01:57:17 PM »
Was Snapfinger Woods a public course on the east side not far off 285?
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Eric Strulowitz

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2017, 03:10:41 PM »
Was Snapfinger Woods a public course on the east side not far off 285?


I don't recall if Snapfinger Woods was public or private, but yes, it was on the east side not far from I-285.

Mark McKeever

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 03:19:59 PM »
Eric, If you have not yet read "Missing Links" you should definitely grab a copy.


MM




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Mike_Young

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2017, 08:27:36 PM »
Was Snapfinger Woods a public course on the east side not far off 285?

John,
People often confused Snapfinger Woods with Fairington which was a Jones course across the interstate from it.  Snapfinger began as a private and before the Atlanta International crowd left it was accepting public play.  It was a neat golf course and Fairington across the street was also....
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BCrosby

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2017, 07:31:50 AM »
I did not know so many ATL metro courses had closed. I played many of them back in the day. The closure of a golf course, whatever its quality, is always sad.


I would guess that the ATL area now has fewer courses than it did in, say, 2000.


Bob

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2017, 10:49:42 AM »
Was Snapfinger Woods a public course on the east side not far off 285?

John,
People often confused Snapfinger Woods with Fairington which was a Jones course across the interstate from it.  Snapfinger began as a private and before the Atlanta International crowd left it was accepting public play.  It was a neat golf course and Fairington across the street was also....


There was also a course nearby called Metropolitan (maybe the same as Fairington?) that was a nice Rees Jones design, one of his earliest.  Also much more valuable as houses.  All of the courses on the east side of town were built at about the same time and it was a case of massive oversupply in a short amount of time. 


Gold Creek closed for a similar reason.  It originally succeeded because it was a really good course on the growing side of town.  But in the 90's, a bunch of courses got built in between it and the population, and people no longer needed to drive 45 minutes to play good public golf. 


I think I heard that Durham Lakes sold again.  Not sure if someone is going to make another go at it. 

Mike_Young

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2017, 11:39:06 AM »
Was Snapfinger Woods a public course on the east side not far off 285?

John,
People often confused Snapfinger Woods with Fairington which was a Jones course across the interstate from it.  Snapfinger began as a private and before the Atlanta International crowd left it was accepting public play.  It was a neat golf course and Fairington across the street was also....


There was also a course nearby called Metropolitan (maybe the same as Fairington?) that was a nice Rees Jones design, one of his earliest.  Also much more valuable as houses.  All of the courses on the east side of town were built at about the same time and it was a case of massive oversupply in a short amount of time. 


Gold Creek closed for a similar reason.  It originally succeeded because it was a really good course on the growing side of town.  But in the 90's, a bunch of courses got built in between it and the population, and people no longer needed to drive 45 minutes to play good public golf. 


I think I heard that Durham Lakes sold again.  Not sure if someone is going to make another go at it.

Steve,

Metropolitan was Fairington which was a large development of Crowe, Pope and Carter Development at the time.  I think it was Rees first course from outside of Dad but was still involving Dad if correct.  I worked there summer of 68.  RTJ came to ATL and Built Stone Mtn, Athletic club, Sunset Hills in Carrolton, UGA course and I think I missed one during about two years in the mid sixties. 

When we built GoldCreek it was a profitable venture for the developer and doing well.  It could have continued but a guy came along and paid too much to make it work and then decided he needed to add nine more and it all became a big mess.  Goldcreek may work again one day...
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2017, 03:25:53 PM »
Was Snapfinger Woods a public course on the east side not far off 285?

John,
People often confused Snapfinger Woods with Fairington which was a Jones course across the interstate from it.  Snapfinger began as a private and before the Atlanta International crowd left it was accepting public play.  It was a neat golf course and Fairington across the street was also....


There was also a course nearby called Metropolitan (maybe the same as Fairington?) that was a nice Rees Jones design, one of his earliest.  Also much more valuable as houses.  All of the courses on the east side of town were built at about the same time and it was a case of massive oversupply in a short amount of time. 


Gold Creek closed for a similar reason.  It originally succeeded because it was a really good course on the growing side of town.  But in the 90's, a bunch of courses got built in between it and the population, and people no longer needed to drive 45 minutes to play good public golf. 


I think I heard that Durham Lakes sold again.  Not sure if someone is going to make another go at it.

Steve,

Metropolitan was Fairington which was a large development of Crowe, Pope and Carter Development at the time.  I think it was Rees first course from outside of Dad but was still involving Dad if correct.  I worked there summer of 68.  RTJ came to ATL and Built Stone Mtn, Athletic club, Sunset Hills in Carrolton, UGA course and I think I missed one during about two years in the mid sixties. 

When we built GoldCreek it was a profitable venture for the developer and doing well.  It could have continued but a guy came along and paid too much to make it work and then decided he needed to add nine more and it all became a big mess.  Goldcreek may work again one day...

Mike,
I have a bunch of friends at Crystal Falls that came over from Gold Creek when it closed, and I've heard them talk about the guy you reference.  From their telling of what happened, you are being VERY kind in your retelling of what happened there.  And I agree with you that it isn't out of the question that it could come back if the right dominos fall.

In any case, the original 18 was really good, and arguably had the best bent grass greens on the north end of the metro area.  I'm including some pretty high end private clubs in that comparison.
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Ken Fry

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2017, 03:50:27 PM »

Metropolitan was Fairington which was a large development of Crowe, Pope and Carter Development at the time.  I think it was Rees first course from outside of Dad but was still involving Dad if correct.  I worked there summer of 68.  RTJ came to ATL and Built Stone Mtn, Athletic club, Sunset Hills in Carrolton, UGA course and I think I missed one during about two years in the mid sixties. 


Mike,

The course you're missing, could that be Chattahoochee in Gainesville?  Tommy Aaron's stomping grounds?

Ken

Mike_Young

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2017, 04:18:44 PM »
Ken,
That's it...thx
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Derek_Duncan

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 06:35:33 PM »
Two other courses that have closed that I missed are The Lion in west Georgia and Orchard Hills down in Newnan. Also forgot to mention Augusta CC's second course that closed in the 30's or 40's. I'm sure there are others.
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Mike_Young

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2017, 06:40:42 PM »
Drek,
I think Appling County closed and Rocky Creek in Vidalia and a few more I will think of later...
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BCrosby

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2017, 07:01:27 PM »
Derek -


The 1930's was a bloodbath for courses in GA. Athens alone saw two courses close circa 1930. There was a Tillinghast course (White Columns) in Atlanta that closed at about the same time. I'd bet with a little digging we could come up with many more.


I'm pretty shocked at the number of ATL metro courses built in the 70's and 80's that didn't make it. I played a lot of business golf at many of them back in the day.


Bob

Derek_Duncan

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 07:46:53 PM »
Derek -


The 1930's was a bloodbath for courses in GA. Athens alone saw two courses close circa 1930. There was a Tillinghast course (White Columns) in Atlanta that closed at about the same time. I'd bet with a little digging we could come up with many more.


I'm pretty shocked at the number of ATL metro courses built in the 70's and 80's that didn't make it. I played a lot of business golf at many of them back in the day.


Bob


Bob,


I reached out to many sources for this story but apparently I missed a major one!


I'd be curious to know what else existed and closed in the early years.


Derek



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Mike_Young

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 08:24:00 PM »
Derek,
In Conyers you had two close in last 15 years..Fieldstone and Highlands.  It also had anothe course owned by Callaway Mills, 9 holes sand greens which closed in 1980s....
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BCrosby

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2017, 07:55:16 AM »
Mike -


Does the Jug Tavern course in Winder still exist?


Bob

Mike_Young

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2017, 08:18:31 AM »
Bob,
It is still there but it reminded me that Springbrook in Lawrenceville was closed and made into housing...
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2017, 07:01:24 PM »
There was a Ross 9 hole course in Gainesville, GA that closed long ago, maybe in the '30's?  I think it may have closed around the same time that Gainesville was devastated by a tornado, though I doubt those were related.

There was also a 9 hole course in Roswell that closed back in the '70 for housing as the town grew quickly and after Brookfield had been built.
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BCrosby

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2017, 08:24:10 AM »
There was a 9 hole course in Piedmont Park in ATL until the late 50's. A lawyer I once worked for won the city junior championship there in 1956. You can still make out green and tee platforms.


Bob

Mike_Young

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Re: Georgia's Ghost Courses
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2017, 08:32:25 AM »
There was a 9 hole course in Piedmont Park in ATL until the late 50's. A lawyer I once worked for won the city junior championship there in 1956. You can still make out green and tee platforms.


Bob
I have played there in the mid 60's or later.  Clubhouse was the granite building down in the corner near Grady Stadium.
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