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archie_struthers

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Re: Subtle Tee Shots
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2017, 08:47:05 AM »
 ;D




I'm all for limiting distance advantage thru architecture but its not easy in the age of bomb and gouge. 


What strikes me as really interesting is when a monster drive remains in the fairway but is left with an awkward lie. Whether it be by design or by sheer luck as is often the case with classic age designs. The hanging lie is really good , even if it seems microscopic in degree. It adds an element of skill to a shot and negates some of the huge advantages produced by the new equipment advances .


Tom_Doak

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Re: Subtle Tee Shots
« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2017, 10:54:51 AM »
What strikes me as really interesting is when a monster drive remains in the fairway but is left with an awkward lie. Whether it be by design or by sheer luck as is often the case with classic age designs. The hanging lie is really good , even if it seems microscopic in degree. It adds an element of skill to a shot and negates some of the huge advantages produced by the new equipment advances .


Archie:


That's not really luck.  Most holes are designed so the player will land on an upslope ... but if they were designed 75-100 years ago, long hitters today are going past the design point, and often that means they're left with a hanging lie on the other side of the contour.


I noticed this happened a couple of times on my reversible course, The Loop ... because it was harder to control the tee locations and landing areas for both directions at once, there are a couple of holes where you have to play to a downslope, or around the corner of a short dogleg.  I think it's a really cool feature; now I just have to figure out how to re-train myself to do it deliberately on occasion.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Subtle Tee Shots
« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2017, 11:33:21 AM »
Tom, how about the 3rd at Pebble Beach before the installed the fairway bunkers?  I find an angled fairway with no clear target to be the most subtle of all tee shots.  Seems like we're always tempted to bite off more than we can chew and blame any shot through the fairway as unfair architecture.

Mike
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Subtle Tee Shots
« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2017, 11:51:23 AM »
I also like the cut and fill angled fairway like the Alps hole at National Golf Links of America, even without the bunker. It's a highly underrated tee shot given the drama that follows.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Subtle Tee Shots
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2017, 01:10:29 PM »
Michael:


No doubt that an angled fairway [or a curving fairway] is a terrific device.  One of the reasons I don't like tree-lined courses so much is that they hardly ever leave room for such things.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Subtle Tee Shots
« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2017, 03:07:16 PM »
Angled, curved (a la boomerang shape) and even zig zag cuts can all be interesting.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

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