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Joe Schackman

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OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« on: March 31, 2017, 09:59:04 AM »
Interesting read on the changing landscape of modern golf media.

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/where-have-all-the-golf-writers-gone

I'm guessing lots of opinions out there. And not to be ageist but I am one of those ghastly Millennials and I just don't view the changing of the guard in Sports Media as a Greek Tragedy. Mostly because I don't feel like there is any lack of quality content out there for golf.

Today it is just in different places; sites like No Laying Up, podcasts like Shane Bacon's and online verticals like the Knockdown. Although I think this aspect was underplayed in the piece. They acted as if all there is this void in quality content. And it just isn't true.

Overall I think piece was interesting but it also could have been much shorter:

"Golf media forced to change like all other modern media types"

Tom_Doak

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2017, 07:20:22 PM »
I know a lot of golf writers but have never heard of any of those you listed.  Do you have links for them?

William_G

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2017, 08:16:43 PM »
Joe,

no doubt the internet has changed everything, but this week is still the best week of the year

technology moves us

Final Four and the Masters

Go Ducks
It's all about the golf!

Peter Pallotta

Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2017, 08:32:47 PM »
Joe - I think you're right: the changing of the guard isn't a Greek tragedy, it is simply in the natural order of things. But for my tastes and temperament, what I do find sad is that several smart, thoughtful people I know (including one who sometimes posts here) who are involved in media all spout the same now-conventional wisdom, i.e. that their internet metrics prove how little time most people spend reading any given on-line article, and how few words they read before clicking off to some other article/site, and that this is the reason why editors want not 3000 word articles or even 1500 words or even 750 words, but more like 500 and 250 words (in keeping with what their metrics tell them). It seems not to occur to a single one of them -- though it must be obvious, because it's obvious to even someone like me -- that maybe the *reason* people are clicking away so quickly is because the article is *garbage* - i.e. because once you limit most writers to 250 words, they will be almost automatically unable and/or unwilling to conceive of and write anything more than a thoughtless made-up piece of fluff that reads more like an ad than an article, i.e. usually a flimsy conceit followed by a bit of third hand background information, followed by a re-cap of the original conceit with an equally flimsy "twist". I'm almost certain that most of us stopping in at GD or GM or GW etc can tell by the time we finished the first sentence the mindless drivel that is about to come, and so we click away (with a few exceptions - Jaime Diaz still engages). *That's* why we click off, not because 'the modern world moves too fast'. Not to criticize modern writers per se: under those circumstances even Wind might've struggled to engage his readers.  I have really started to take an intense (and unhealthy, and uncharitable) dislike of whoever it is edits GD -- i.e. the baldfaced gall (or stunning lack of self awareness) it takes for an editor to commission and/or headline an article "where have all the golf writers gone" when it is the *editors themselves* who have almost singlehandedly ensured that there isn't any golf writing worth a damn to be found anywhere.
Peter
« Last Edit: March 31, 2017, 08:45:10 PM by Peter Pallotta »

Tom_Doak

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2017, 06:27:00 AM »
I can't imagine Mr. Wind writing 500-word pieces.  I think the joke about needing 5,000 words to clear his throat was one he'd written himself.

Sean_A

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2017, 06:41:40 AM »
Well Pietro, given that nearly all of the best essays I have read concerning golf are well beyond 500 words, I too have to wonder about the delivery system of the media these days.  As you say, I often read a few lines, and knowing that the pieces are very short these days, if something doesn't grab me immediately I drop it and move on.  If golfers are fed on Darwin, Wind, Dickinson, Ward-Thomas and Finegan, it is very difficult to retune the ear....especially when a writer isn't given much chance to write.


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Thomas Dai

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2017, 07:13:12 AM »
They've become broadcasters.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2017, 08:16:02 AM »
Hey, wait. Did this guy not hear about Shack going to USA Today?
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Kyle Harris

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2017, 08:19:52 AM »
In a sense it is Greek Tragedy.

While golf writing is a rather trite endeavor in the grand scheme of life ("It is important work," as Jeremy Clarkson once deadpanned on Top Gear), there is an element of not seeing the forest for the trees and getting lost in the ever changing landscape of sports media. Sadly, not one of the golf writers seems stalwart enough to maintain the sort of writing that Dan Jenkins, et al., were doing 10 years ago.
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Constantly blamed by 8-handicaps for their 7 missed 12-footers each round.

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Eric Smith

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 08:20:38 AM »
I think it was Shakespeare who coined the phrase: "it is what it is". Maybe not.



I don't know much, but I know what I like and it's always nice to come across content with Thomas Dunne's name in the byline. I also like Ashley Mayo's Instagram. The game's lucky to have her. The others Joe mentioned have some excellent content as well, they just present it more in a on the move 'click here' sort of way.



I don't believe Thomas has his own logo. When he points us to his online 'Pro Shop' we'll know the paradigm has shifted.

Tom_Doak

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 08:37:42 AM »
While the focus of the GOLF DIGEST story is coverage of The Masters and the PGA Tour generally, what's really been lost is local coverage of the game -- amateur and club-pro events, golf course reviews, etc.  You can't just buy that from the AP, and if there's no golf writer on staff, those stories just aren't going to get covered.


Therefore the only things that do get covered are stories that are "placed" by marketing people who know someone at the paper and provide content directly, which is seldom even edited.  Writing little stories like that is keeping some of the old guard golf writers in business ... but they are now being paid by the marketers, so their viewpoint might be a little different.

Tim Martin

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2017, 09:01:34 AM »
The access that someone like Dan Jenkins had back in the day with the likes of Palmer and Hogan will never be seen again. I recall Jenkins lamenting in his column years ago in Sports Illustrated that he couldn't nail Tiger Woods down for a one on one and that the dynamic had completely changed. I think I recall him citing the advent of the Golf Channel as the overriding reason for the shift. The Hartford Courant used to have two golf writers on staff chronicling both the local and national golf scene and now has no one.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 09:37:44 AM »
They lost their sense of humor and became bitter old arrogant assholes who saw every new project as an opportunity for them to be something besides a journalist. If they had a product worth reading they would still have an audience.

Peter Pallotta

Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2017, 10:18:00 AM »
Tim - you remind me of what an old NY Times reporter wrote once, about the role that money has played in the equation. When he was a mid career journalist in the 50s, he was making about the same money, and living in the same Brooklyn neighbourhood, as baseball star Duke Snyder -- which meant that in a very basic way he could talk to him 'man to man', as equals.



John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2017, 10:23:29 AM »
Peter,


Do you think that Dan Jenkins, half way into a bottle of Ketel, ever turned to Arnold Palmer and said.."Hey, I've got a proposition..Let's partner together and build another Lido." You don't get stories being the story.

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2017, 10:43:08 AM »
John - I think that in your last two posts you're touching on something true and important, ie that for writers as for the culture they are meant to serve, the "story" isn't enough anymore; it seems as if, for most these days, the actual story about *another* is merely a vehicle for/entry point into some narrative about *themselves* -- usually how special or quirky or charming or multi-talented or well-connected they are. For me, now that Lorne Rubenstein doesn't write full time anymore, the best writers on golf are the non-specialists, ie the professional journalists and old fashioned reporters who write on many subjects, including but not limited to golf. Karen Crouse at the NY Times, for example, I think excellent; she disappears and only the story -of triumph or heartbreak or waning skills - shines through. She isn't trying to prove she's the smartest one in the room about the game or the courses, and she seems content being 'merely' a reporter and not an expert or insider or advisor.

Carl Johnson

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2017, 06:17:00 PM »
Gone to graveyards, everyone.

Dave Doxey

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2017, 07:12:32 PM »
The metrics have changed from quality of writing  to advertising website clicks.  Golf writers never used to headline a story "You won't believe...".

Terry Lavin

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2017, 07:47:55 PM »
Replaced by thumb typists, quick vidiots and multi-platform forgettables.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2017, 08:05:52 PM »
Does anyone out there anymore look diversity in the face and up their game? Or is that why they became golf writers in the first place...

V. Kmetz

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2017, 09:05:52 PM »
While the focus of the GOLF DIGEST story is coverage of The Masters and the PGA Tour generally, what's really been lost is local coverage of the game -- amateur and club-pro events, golf course reviews, etc.  You can't just buy that from the AP, and if there's no golf writer on staff, those stories just aren't going to get covered.


Therefore the only things that do get covered are stories that are "placed" by marketing people who know someone at the paper and provide content directly, which is seldom even edited.  Writing little stories like that is keeping some of the old guard golf writers in business ... but they are now being paid by the marketers, so their viewpoint might be a little different.


Agree. Those who do research regularly (starting with the 80s backward) will note how often 300 - 700 word pieces were devoted to local events, results, and even relatively anonymous tournaments like the Ladies' Inter-Club series.  Many were written in a perfunctory style, but if something unique occurred, it was covered.






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John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2017, 09:14:27 PM »
Where is the golf writer willing to write the piece that volunteerism has taken the game away from the working mans hands and put it square in the lap of the private jet riding industrial conglomerate? Where is the journalist willing to put his career on the line to protect what he loves? Did they ever exists? Have we really lost anything?

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2017, 09:33:16 PM »
You, sir, may have to be that writer! Ask not what golf writing can do for you; ask what you can do to make it worth reading again!
You and the Judge would make a terrific team.Multi platform forgettables is a marvelous phrase - the old rock journalist has still got it! I have seen the future of golf course writing, and its name is Terry & John.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2017, 09:40:14 PM »
Writing, and great writing at that is hard work. I'm just a lazy drunk that loves a good cigar and some fine bourbon. Golf needs someone who loves all three.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - "Where have all the golf writers gone?"
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2017, 09:57:39 PM »
I suppose i could ghost write, it works for my wife. She can't feel a thing and often can't catch her breath when I'm on top.