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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #125 on: March 19, 2020, 12:52:36 PM »
Thanks for the reminder Lou. I don't think I have ever witnessed two fully dressed men that disappointed me more than Shivas and Gib did that day.


You've reminded me of the other GCA outing at Lost Dunes where a majority of the participants refused to play alternate shot. As it was I of course came out on top by having the pleasure of having Doak as my partner and escorting a couple of young strapping golfers to the architectural wood shed.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #126 on: March 19, 2020, 01:13:01 PM »
Barney, at KPII you and I played with Jeff Fortson and Mike Benham.   

Sweet Lou, I like your bag.   I too played Power/Built persimmons and the R90 reproduction sand wedge with the brown shaft.  Rounded out my bag with a set of 1956 Wilson Staff's and my dad's first putter, an International I believe.  If I recall correctly Pete provided each participant with a sleeve of Pajaro logo'd Titleist balata.   That KP was the first time I met most of you guys on the website.  I'll never forget Dan King appearing magically through the trees on the second hole at Pasatiempo.  Those were good days and I remain astonished at the extent to which I was welcomed. 

Bogey
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #127 on: March 19, 2020, 01:24:56 PM »
Was it Chubs against Studs? Who did I piss off to get that pairing?


In all seriousness I admire people with great memories.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #128 on: March 19, 2020, 01:42:00 PM »
Can't recall the match.  But let's go with the Chubs trouncing the Studs.  Weird what one remembers - I seem to recall you placing a plastic grocery bag over your head when it began raining.  Makes for a good story anyway.

Bogey
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #129 on: March 19, 2020, 02:21:24 PM »
Mike H,

Great stories and recollections.

My first large GCA event was the return trip to the Monterrey area for one of the KPs.  I still have great memories of the interactions, chats, and shared stories to this day and greatly appreciated the warm welcome and camaraderie in general.  Like Tom H used to say, "it was more fun than a grown adult should be allowed to have"

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #130 on: March 19, 2020, 06:19:17 PM »
Lou, 


Yes it was a tyop, KP II.


I partnered with Ed’s polish buddy who worked at the book store at Pebble Beach. We lost to Bob Huntley who played his Hogan irons and Ed Getka who kept his usual set of Wilson Staffs. I saw no need to swap out my MP-33’s but put a MacGregor persimmon driver and a George Low Wizard 500 putter, in honor of Jack in the bag.


I sure miss Sir Boab, never met a finer human being! I remember Bob relating a story that he bought a white suit at a Thrift Store and had it dry cleaned. He wore it to some tropical location and was told “Sir you have elevated our establishment merely by your presence here!” Priceless!


It’s a shame Ed doesn’t participate here anymore.
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #131 on: March 19, 2020, 09:00:13 PM »
Pete’s black and white photo of the participants behind the 18th green at Pasa is an all-time classic. Perhaps someone can post.
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James Bennett

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #132 on: March 20, 2020, 03:28:02 AM »
Pete Lavallee
Ed's mate was Ron Muszalkski.His book collection is amazing.  Sir Bob always admired it.I got a reprinted copy of Golf Architecture in America (George Thomas) from Ron when I stayed nearby in Pacific Grove 14 years ago.  It remains one of my favourite books.
James B
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #133 on: March 20, 2020, 09:58:21 AM »
James,


Yes, that’s the guy. I wonder if he still smokes non filtered cigarettes? Hard to imagine that was 17 years ago?
"...one inoculated with the virus must swing a golf-club or perish."  Robert Hunter

MCirba

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #134 on: March 20, 2020, 12:33:52 PM »
This might be a good place for a great little Sir Bob Huntley story...

Not sure if it was a KP event or something else but Dr. Geoffrey Childs and I were playing at Pasatiempo in a little match against Bob and I believe Gib P.

Geoff came out guns blazing and single-handedly won the first three holes on his own to put us 3-up.

As we stood on the 4th tee, Bob stepped forward just as Geoff was about to tee it up and said;

"Geoffrey...tomorrow morning we will be at Cypress Point.   Right now, I'd like you to imagine that you're there...on that first tee set high up near the clubhouse.   I'd like for you to take pause, take a look around you at the incredible beauty and wonderful golf you see in every direction, and ask yourself the question...do I ever want to come back here?"

I think we were one down by the turn.
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

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Lou_Duran

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #135 on: March 20, 2020, 03:26:59 PM »
MC,


As I recall, Geoff was not very impressed with CPC.  A cold wind was blowing 20+ mph and the greens had been heavily aerated a day or two before.  I remember the sunny day well because even though I barely broke 90, it was the rare occasion when I took a couple of bets from Tom Huckaby.  Bogie (Mike H) walked with us and got over on #16 with my driver.  Somewhere I have a bunch of pics from that day.

MCirba

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #136 on: March 20, 2020, 03:34:08 PM »
MC,


As I recall, Geoff was not very impressed with CPC.  A cold wind was blowing 20+ mph and the greens had been heavily aerated a day or two before.  I remember the sunny day well because even though I barely broke 90, it was the rare occasion when I took a couple of bets from Tom Huckaby.  Bogie (Mike H) walked with us and got over on #16 with my driver.  Somewhere I have a bunch of pics from that day.

Lou,

I recall my full driver into a howling wind quartering into us at 16 got into the front bunker, although it may have been my second attempt.   I also recall hitting my best drive and approach of the day on 17, and recall Mr. Huntley waiting for us behind the 18th green.   

I remember a really great day.   It's a funny thing...as I get older I only recall the really good shots, or the shots that were so bad that they were comical.    ;D
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #137 on: March 20, 2020, 04:10:22 PM »
MC,


As I recall, Geoff was not very impressed with CPC.  A cold wind was blowing 20+ mph and the greens had been heavily aerated a day or two before.  I remember the sunny day well because even though I barely broke 90, it was the rare occasion when I took a couple of bets from Tom Huckaby.  Bogie (Mike H) walked with us and got over on #16 with my driver.  Somewhere I have a bunch of pics from that day.


Are you saying the Mike H stole a tee shot on 16 at CPC? I hate people stealing golf.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #138 on: March 20, 2020, 04:51:16 PM »
Barney, this is blatant double jeopardy.  I have confessed the crime before on this very site and pleaded guilty, offering no defense.   I find little solace in the fact that it was the rare high driver into a stout breeze with just a tad of draw on it - a real peach.  Just to come totally clean, I also knocked a 9-iron onto the 15th green as well. 

Barney, I guess that leaves me as the player and you as the hater according to my girl Taylor:

"Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate."

I'll try to Shake it Off.

Your bud,

Mike H




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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #139 on: March 20, 2020, 05:15:16 PM »
I can forgive you but I was not the one harmed. Have you contacted Cypress and offered to pay for your round?

Terry Lavin

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #140 on: March 20, 2020, 05:28:22 PM »
I can forgive you but I was not the one harmed. Have you contacted Cypress and offered to pay for your round?


My only offer was to play again, as a non-rater guest.


Still waiting! 
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Lou_Duran

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #141 on: March 20, 2020, 05:29:00 PM »
JK,


Mr. Hendren had the urging and full approval of our caddies including Barry, a very dour chap who was not real happy with my play.  As I recall, we played in four hours- what they most cared about- under very difficult conditions.  I do have a picture of four guys and two caddies marching down #6 making the hole look rather crowded.  One of the great things about CPC, at least during Mr. Langley's tenure, was that the place was relaxed and guests felt welcomed (subject to known limitations, of course).

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #142 on: March 20, 2020, 05:35:41 PM »
I was in Jacksonville for a very short time once and called TPC Sawgrass with the offer of paying a full green fee just to play the 17th hole. I didn't have the time or interest to play the rest of the course. I was quickly dispatched. I guess I should have just walked out there and asked a caddie.

Gib_Papazian

Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #143 on: March 28, 2020, 11:05:39 PM »
For the record, Shivas and I fought bravely, but were vanquished by that guy from Texas and some reasonably well-known Bruin alumni, his fame at this point being notable for siring his congenitally grumpy offspring.


But, we got beat - I recall a handshake on the 15th green - after which Shivas and I pressed for an extra round of beers; Lou stuck it in our asses with birdie on #18, but being a classy guy, did not openly taunt us in the bar like his partner. One can only imagine what the Wizard of Westwood would have thought of his shameless gloating.


It reminds me of a match, fought to a draw, at the first Barona KP. This was where I'd finally met Tommy (before I coined his ubiquitous nickname) a year of so earlier. Emperor insisted - we were only GCA friends on the internet and phone - that I desperately needed to see this fabulous creation in a place called "Rattlesnake Canyon" - somewhere in the rocky bowels of the San Diego outback.


Yes, it was everything and more - and led to a long friendship with Eck, who I feel is an elite architect - in talent and ouvre if not a household name. I loved it so much, I convinced the Chair of an enormous industry tournament to abandon Singing Hills and move it to Barona - to rave reviews. I won't try to spell the new Indian casino name Singing Hills eventually became.


In any event, some twat, knowing that Tommy and I are the closest of friends, decided to pit us against each other in match play; let's face it, at the time I was not Jeff Fortson, but not afraid of many mortals either.


Okay, Tommy was a pretty damn good player, but our normal matches were me giving him 2.5 a side . . . . expecting a friendly match, I downed a couple extra road sodas and wandered casually up to the tee, only to find Naccarato looking at me like a hungry wolf.


As I recall, I was even par standing on the 6th tee and three down, since Tommy had started out birdie, birdie, par, par, birdie (holing out from a bunker).


Team Captain had already mentally figured I would win - but since Tommy's 40 footer on #18 hung on the lip of the cup, the North had to settle for a tie. Note to self: Don't ever underestimate Italians.


The strangest thing is Tommy has never mentioned the match again - even after all these years.


And although I remember absolutely killing somebody the next day in my match, damn if I can remember which team won - in fact, I cannot tell you for sure who won ANY of the K.P. matches . . . . probably the best evidence of why we all love it so much.


The last one I played was in May of 2013 . . . . we dragged everybody down to the Central Coast, first to play this really cool homemade job Neal and I had run across called The Links at Paso Robles - and then to San Luis Obispo CC to show off our handiwork. I got to play with Dan King at Dairy Creek, which is always a highlight.


I've not been back for much of anything as my life took a hairpin twist into a ditch. Standing on the 1st tee at Paso, my little brother called to tell me my father - the person who put a club in my hand at age 3 - had passed away in the night.


I put on a pretty brave face, all things considered, but like your parents, never forget to tell people you care about how much you love them. Life is short - those pictures from the past are at once life-affirming, but also a reminder most of us are walking down the 14th fairway at best. 


If America gets out of this jam, let's all make an effort to celebrate those of us who are still on the north side of the divot - and remember those dear to us that are gone.


 


   
     
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #144 on: March 28, 2020, 11:35:42 PM »
"The strangest thing is Tommy has never mentioned the match again - even after all these years."

That's 'cause he loves and respects you, Gib. And it's the Italian thing -- ie don't *push* it. It's like that actor who saved Sinatra from drowning. Frank was grateful, of course, and for months very generous in 'paying him back' in many different ways. Now, if the guy just had the sense to stop talking about it all the time, and to back away for a few weeks and give Frank some space (i.e. as if to say "we're good, Frankie, you don't owe me anything"), Frank would've been his loyal friend for life, probably paying for his kids to go to college and for their weddings and all the guy's hospital bills. But instead, for 6 months the guy wouldn't get out of Franks' face -- pushing, always pushing. So of course Frank finally had to say "Get the f--k out out here, don't bother me anymore, you're getting on my f--king nerves"!
Which is to say, I understand Tommy completely on this: a thing happened, you know, he knows, that's it -- it's done, it's over.  Talking about it is just gonna insult you (or risk insulting you). Imagine the opposite, if he'd been talking about the match constantly for the last 20 years?  You guys wouldn't be friends no more, for sure.
Hope you're well,
P
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JMEvensky

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Re: Why do I hate you? (The truth behind the end of the game.)
« Reply #145 on: March 29, 2020, 06:38:06 AM »




For the record, Shivas and I fought bravely, but were vanquished by that guy from Texas and some reasonably well-known Bruin alumni, his fame at this point being notable for siring his congenitally grumpy offspring.


But, we got beat - I recall a handshake on the 15th green - after which Shivas and I pressed for an extra round of beers; Lou stuck it in our asses with birdie on #18, but being a classy guy, did not openly taunt us in the bar like his partner. One can only imagine what the Wizard of Westwood would have thought of his shameless gloating.
   
   




Great post as usual. At 64 now, I wonder how many remember who LS was in a former life or even know the Wizard of Westwood. Probably lucky you didn't throw in a Lew Alcindor reference.

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