[Steve Lang]

   anyone notice the smog on city shots?

[Ronald Montesano]

It's funny that a bunch of politically-conservative, USA golfers, are following a socialist-inspired mandate that all golf courses must be like the first one, no matter their location.

Great golf, great leaderboard, they can handle the shots, nice to see them grind and strategize. I haven't read one player complaint, but please direct me to them, on the chance that I missed them.

[BCowan]

It's funny that a bunch of politically-conservative, USA golfers, are following a socialist-inspired mandate that all golf courses must be like the first one, no matter their location.

Great golf, great leaderboard, they can handle the shots, nice to see them grind and strategize. I haven't read one player complaint, but please direct me to them, on the chance that I missed them.

Why are you bringing politics on GCA?  How do you know PGA golfers lean Conservative these days?  Who is mandating?  Maybe the trees block the armed guards.  I doubt the Pro's can criticize the course for it wouldn't be politically correct.

And on how course fits in to community

• World's wealthiest man is a member
• Course is surrounded by walls with armed guards pacing the tops
• If you don't have a game, don't bother heading to the course

[mike_beene]

Looking at the aerial, the range can't come close to holding these guys. Are the pros warming up irons only?

[Matthew Essig]

Looking at the aerial, the range can't come close to holding these guys. Are the pros warming up irons only?

Nope

[Wayne_Kozun]

Bill Gates is a member there?  Who would have guessed.

[Rees Milikin]

It's funny that a bunch of politically-conservative, USA golfers, are following a socialist-inspired mandate that all golf courses must be like the first one, no matter their location.

Great golf, great leaderboard, they can handle the shots, nice to see them grind and strategize. I haven't read one player complaint, but please direct me to them, on the chance that I missed them.

Love when an old American white guy drops insight.

[MCirba]

Why did the course remind me more of Riviera and Harbour Town than other tour venues?  I enjoyed watching and would seek it out if I were in Mexico City.

[Joe Hancock]

(Lack of over)Conditioning should get equal billing. That made the tournament more fun to watch than usual.

[Tim_Cronin]

This was a fun tournament to watch. As a Chicagoan, the course reminded me of Beverly CC and Medinah CC before the chain saws came out. And with Willie Smith and Percy Clifford, there are Chicago connections to the designers.


With all the tightness, a bomber still wins.

[MCirba]

Good points Joe and Tim.   Some resemblance to Olympic Lake, as well.

[Ken Kearney]

First time I watched a golf tournament to completion for some months.
Interesting golf course, that threw up a different look and new strategies.
I liked it.


KK

[Tom Yost]

I believe that Cortez defeated Moctezuma in a winner-take-all match.

What a killer.

[jeffwarne]

(Lack of over)Conditioning should get equal billing. That made the tournament more fun to watch than usual.

+1

[Thomas Dai]

I believe that Cortez defeated Moctezuma in a winner-take-all match.

What a killer.

Ah, a Neil Young reference!
It would seem that Moctezuma has taken some element of Revenge on some participants over 4 recent days.
Atb

[Andrew Carr]

While the course certainly produced an entertaining tournament, wouldn't that have likely been the case anywhere this caliber of tournament is played?


This venue makes it very difficult to explain why most courses need to continue on a tree removal program.  How do you address skeptics to tree removal when this is how the par 3 7th hole was described on the PGA Tour's website:


"This complicated par 3 represents a challenge for players of all levels. The green is wavy and is protected by two bunkers at the back, another to the left, and a lake that goes from front to the right of the green and a tree that blocks access from the right. Players should favor the left side of the green, which has internal hills that makes it hard to properly identify the breaks. Par is a great score on this hole."  (Emphasis is mine.)


Is that good design to block greens with trees?  Also, doesn't that practice of having trees by greens fly directly in the face of the agronomy edicts of the USGA?

[Joe Hancock]

While the course certainly produced an entertaining tournament, wouldn't that have likely been the case anywhere this caliber of tournament is played?


This venue makes it very difficult to explain why most courses need to continue on a tree removal program.  How do you address skeptics to tree removal when this is how the par 3 7th hole was described on the PGA Tour's website:


"This complicated par 3 represents a challenge for players of all levels. The green is wavy and is protected by two bunkers at the back, another to the left, and a lake that goes from front to the right of the green and a tree that blocks access from the right. Players should favor the left side of the green, which has internal hills that makes it hard to properly identify the breaks. Par is a great score on this hole."  (Emphasis is mine.)


Is that good design to block greens with trees?  Also, doesn't that practice of having trees by greens fly directly in the face of the agronomy edicts of the USGA?

Using any logic provided by the PGA Tour on why a golf hole is challenging for PGA Tour players is misguided in every other situation. Please disregard Tour players abilities when discussing what is good for the general golfing populace.


Also, when discussing trees, be site specific. Not all trees are bad, nor are all trees good. Hire a qualified architect to help determine which trees stay or go based on safety, strategy, agronomics, etc.

[Ronald Montesano]

This was the best: https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/838924872822607872

[Marc Haring]

Thought I'd bring this one up again as the WGC is starting again today and created some interesting discussion last year.


Have a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9otXYKGADjs


77 hole outs in a tournament. Not sure if that is good or bad. Certainly fun.

[Jeff Schley]

Nice forest, where is the course again?

 Check out that tree jutting out into the fairway on the par 5 11th!

[Conley Hurst]

The par-3 third has to be one of the most claustrophobic holes I've ever seen. It literally looks like they have to thread it through the uprights.


Overall, though, I really enjoyed watching this tournament last year and am enjoying it again this year. Holes like the par-3 7th force them to think about their shot shaping and trajectory in ways they normally do not have to. And it seems like their club choices vary a lot off the tee, which is quite unusual on most tour courses.

[Dave McCollum]

Big world theory two weeks in a row.  PGA Nat at Honda and now this tree lined alley in Mexico.  After years of wondering who would want to play courses like these, I've started to enjoy watching the pros play courses the rest of us (at least here) would hate.  Better them than us.  Not sure how these courses help grow the game.  Like difficult courses at resorts.  Who wants to enjoy golf by taking the wife on a torture track?   

[Cal Seifert]

Resorts tend to be more worried in conditioning and getting a great view on a couple "signature holes."

[Dave McCollum]

I know.  Just back from Palm Springs, resort course central.  In my view, that's just how it should be.  My favorite and the best course I've played there was Stone Eagle, which was also the best conditioned course with the most incredible views.  I also think the golf is fun for just about everyone.  Of course SE is not a resort and I am very grateful for getting to play it.       

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