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Garland Bayley

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Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« on: February 21, 2017, 07:49:01 PM »
I played Strandhill after the 2016 Buda Cup as part of a social gathering the day after the competition. We are all thankful for the work of Ally McIntosh and Robin Hiseman for setting up Buda and associated social gatherings. I am also thankful for the pictures from the round there taken by Clyde Johnson as he played along with my team in a team Stableford.


I am posting the full tour at one time, along with commentary from the previous thread started by Sean Arble. That thread was done in 2008 along with a few pictures, which I am including here. You can tell Sean's pictures as they show the course browning out a bit, whereas the pictures from Clyde show a very green course.


I plan to add commentary from those following this thread, and posting to it, into the posts for the individual holes as time stamped quotes.


... The club have 70 acres of untouched dune land out back but almost all of that land is in the SAC and my proposal does not involve using the majority of it. What it does include is using the dune plateau behind the current 4th green, an area of about 175 yards long by 150 yards wide. The land falls off the back of that plateau in to a huge dune slack called Shelley Valley and I believe if golf is to head down in to that valley, it needs to stay down there for at least 4 holes to provide a cohesive routing. Planning Permission for that is not going to be achieved and I'm not sure the club really needs it, certainly in the short to medium term.




The main concerns were the par-three ninth hole which has been compromised by housing and a car park, resulting in a shortened hole with netting... and also the extremely unsafe tight routing of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th holes... The plans on the table will rectify those situations and improve the holes by getting rid of the 9th and redesigning the area around 2,3 and 4 by using that plateau behind the 4th green.... To answer your question, the permit has not yet been granted for this work but initial meetings with the council and NP&W have been positive. They can see that we need the land, that it will improve the course and most importantly that we are committed to working with the lightest of touches.




In the meantime, the focus is on a new bunker scheme for the entire course. There are 63 bunkers at present and they've been thrown down haphazardly (and not in a varied or good way) at different points in the clubs history. We'll put in a new scheme that should add some life - and strategic choices - in to some of the holes. I expect there to be some interesting positions. We start that by tackling the first three or four holes in February. By the time we've finished that work in a year or two, there will be a few less bunkers in total but hopefully they will provide a lot more thoughtful choices for golfers.




Aside from that, I've suggested other little tweaks that the green staff will carry out themselves.




Strandhill is a cracking course. I really think that it's just a nudge away from being recognised as such by the wider international community.


Furthermore, I hope Ally will provide updated pictures for changes that happen to the course. Certainly there are already pictures from last September that are out of date since Ally is actively updating the course. At the end of the tour I will post Ally's proposed routing for the future of the course, and if I can manage to keep up with them, I will update this thread to show the deveopments as they are ongoing.





The measurements in the aerial views are taken from Google Earth. Unfortunately the aerial view on Google Earth for this property quite unclear, making taking measurements very difficult. So treat the measurements as reasonable approximation, but not very exacting.


... To be honest with you, I think Strandhill could be an absolute cracker with a little budget and previous mentioned moderations behind it. The ground game is alive and well there, that's for sure.
I played this course yesterday, and Rosses Point today.
...
It is also MILES in front of both Rosses Point, which has perhaps the most boring set of greens I have ever encountered, and Enniscrone, which was a major dud. 


I went out of the way to see Strandhill with one of my interns back a few years ago when this thread came up.  We didn't get to play because of a competition on the day, but I was underwhelmed from our walk around.  There were some interesting bits but the holes that played up over the side of the hill seemed pretty awkward.  Rosses Point may not have as good a set of greens but I would still choose it over Strandhill most any time [price not a factor in the Doak scale].  To each his own, I guess.
I have to agree with Mark on this. I played all three, and find his assessment to be dead on. I really found Rosses Point to be somewhat easy and somewhat boring compared to the barrel of fun at Strandhill.
... Strandhill is a club that seems to operate on small budgets and is none the less for it.... lessons to be learned !!! The club has investigated the options of moving into the dunes but as the area is SAC (Special Area of Conservation) a major planning struggle is inevitable...
While living in Sligo for c. 10 years I played lots of golf at Strandhill. It is a wonderful golfing experience snd they also have the friendliest pro shop in Ireland with Anthony and Cyril welcoming all with a genuine "Cead Mile Failte"....
The club is fortunate to have Jason Kelly, a young greenkeeper, full of passion and enthusiasm driving the course forward.
I have really fond memories of Stranhill and encourage all to expore her...

« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 02:28:01 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2017, 07:55:57 PM »
#1


The opener at Stranhill is a par 5 that doglegs left going away from the clubhouse.





I found the first hole to be a good hole to ease the player into the round. A slightly downhill short par 5 that does not require the average golfer to go for broke to reach the green in regulation. Personally I played it as an easy three shotter, but suspect that the current configuration of the bunkering would allow those going for the green in two to run the ball in from left to right using the lay of the land sloping in that direction. The current bunkering, which appears to be different than that shown in the above aerial photo, seems to suggest and challenge such a tactic.




Its a neat little course eh?  I enjoyed it immensely despite some lame holes and a few which should be far better (7 & 8 especially).  I like the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th 8th, 14th and 18th best so I am surprised you say I like the bigger dunes - I don't tend to unless tempered with flatter holes as a counterbalance. ...


View from tee.





Approach





1st etc - like the new bunkering although never saw the old ...


Green view










« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 02:35:42 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2017, 08:03:04 PM »
#2





The second is a par 3 heading westward and paralleling (as will the next two holes) a bay south of the course that is on an inlet from the sea.


The second hole looks a little like a reverse redan from the tee. However, there is another bunker to the left that can't be seen from the tee that would require a very precise shot to run the ball in from the left.


View from tee





Green from middle front bunker





From behind green






« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 02:41:50 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2017, 08:08:47 PM »
#3


Three at Strandhill is a dogleg left over wrinkled ground heading west again parallel to the inlet bay.







... I enjoyed the front nine most with 4 being the only weak hole and 3 and 9 being merely OK. The rest were all good to excellent ...




To me this hole is more than merely OK. The best position off the tee has to hug the slope and the rough on the left.
From the tee.





Landing area





Green surrounds





Green






« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 03:07:55 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2017, 08:13:52 PM »
#4


The fourth is the last of the sequence of three holes heading west. It starts up the big dune in the west that has been in view from the 2nd tee on, and has its green benched into that dune.





As we saw with the quote above, #4 is not universally liked. However, Sean writes
... I also like the 4th becasue it is so stark - in your face - no compromise approach.  It does look quite manufactured, but I have given up on that being all important.  Indeed, sometimes the manufactured look is quite appealing.


Personally, being a bit of a budget golfer myself, I have played many courses that have to be made to fit the land. On such courses you will see holes benched into a hillside. Perhaps the most well thought of would be at the Olympic course at Gold Mountain outside Bremerton, WA. Furthermore, I have read that when dealing with severe land, a recommended approach is to bench the green into the slope, and place the next tee at the top of the slope.


The obvious biggest weakness with the fourth hole is the walk back from the third green, which makes anyone nearing the third green in danger from balls coming off the fourth tee. One event I played, I hit a drive that could have killed someone on the third green in this setup, which elicited the comment, "don't ever play in a pro am" from Anthony Gray (remember him?).


At the end of these posts we will see a proposed routing from Ally that replaces four with a hole going over the dune. This gets me wondering if there is an alps hole in the future for Strandhill.


From the tee, showing how the third green is in danger.





Benched greensite







« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 03:16:01 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2017, 08:27:03 PM »
#5


The fifth starts from high on the dune next to four green, and doglegs to a fairway heading north at the base of the dune below





... No.5 is all world in my mind with a high angled tee shot to the most rumpled fairway I have seen anywhere and a semi-blind approach (flag-stick only) to an excellent green. ...
...
The fairway on No.5 reminds me of the moguls that skiers go over.  I can't remember for sure, but there might be about 100 spots on the fairway where you can see the flag and about 100 where you can't...
...
There is no question #5 is my favourite hole not only because of the humpty bumpty land which essentially causes havoc for the second especially if one is going for the green (I think many would call it unfair), but also because the tee shot is very interesting with all that space and how it uses the 17th fairway as well. ...


View from tee





Moguls



View to green








Where do you place your second?





Green





Looking back






« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 03:30:03 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2017, 08:33:59 PM »
#6


Six is a par four that  heads west towards the large dune complex and then doglegs right towards an infinity green in front of the ocean.





... I like the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th 8th, 14th and 18th best ...


The sixth obviously has the infinity green, and the risk/reward nature of the dogleg, but I was less enchanted, because the terrain was pretty tame compared to the standards of the other holes.


Tee shot





Approach to infinity green






Entrance to green





Green from left







Working on the 6th hole last week...


Firstly, a photo showing a fairway bunker on the right side to give those long hitters who chose to cut the corner some pause for thought... Second, a photo showing the re-shaping of the entire left side of the green which was wide, flat and non-descript. The right side remains with natural kick-ins but we wished to give the left side some bold character to work in with the strategy of the fairway placement. Easy approach from right, hard approach from bail out left. There was a lovely ridge in the green already so we just extended that out in to an elongated shoulder and then created quite a bit of movement behind that (hidden) and brought the marram line nearer at the back.







« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 03:54:24 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2017, 08:41:07 PM »
Yeah, I totally blew that day during Buda gathering, opting to only play one round that day at Sligo, and skipping Strandhill.  Oh well, maybe there will be a next time.  Great pics. 

Sligo was nice, and the company was fun, with a decent lunch.  But, it seems apparent Strandhill is the better representation of Irish links from the photos and the chatter.
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2017, 08:41:53 PM »
#7


The seventh is a par four running parallel to the Atlantic coast, with a rumpled fairway.





Its a neat little course eh?  I enjoyed it immensely despite some lame holes and a few which should be far better (7 & 8 especially). ... On the other side of the coin, #7, on the prime land was dead boring. ...
... In fact, there is very little to find fault with the course and if I had to pick one hole it would be the dull 7th occupying the prime spot on the course...what a shame...hopefully Ally has this as his #1 problem on the drawing board...
... I think seven could be improved but maybe not by a whole lot. I quite liked it. It was like the 3rd at Carne but not quite as good.
... Regards the 7th from your photo below, (My photo appears below here as the shot from the 7th tee.) I never really understood why Sean didn't like it but it does need a little definition and strategy. So we're reconfiguring the fairway line slightly, adding a fairway bunker on the right, an approach bunker on the left and removing the two green-side bunkers on the right to replace with one that eats in to the huge green a little more. Green-side bunker front left will remain. ...
... Sean - you are far too hard on 7. Throw out an idea. I've still got time to implement it. ...
Obviously you aren't satisfied with #7 or it wouldn't be targeted for work. I assume the tee nor green can be moved closer to the water otherwise the hole is a serious head sctatcher.  I would attempt to use the terrain at an angle so balls can be shoved either way that makes sense from the position of the tee, then angle the green which welcomes the correct line and perhaps make the green a bit smaller.  The hole now doesn't have any angle merits to take advantage of the terrain...the hole is okay despite the architecture...and the green is not stellar. As I say, the hole should be special, now its just okay and that isn't anywhere near good enough for the prime location on the course.   
... 7th - like the sound of Ally's ideas. ...


I like Ally's ideas too. It seems to me that any strategy on the hole as pictured below would involve getting to the more level right side from the tee. Adding a bunker there would add some risk to trying for the best position.


From the tee





Approaching the landing area





The approach





From behind the green showing green and runin area




I've actually just returned from Strandhill where we were doing some work on 6, 12 & 18... I haven't yet caught any decent photos and everything will look a lot better once bedded in but seeing as 7 was a big talking point, here are a couple... There are now 5 bunkers - it looks very tight off the tee but in reality we have a bit of deception going on with the fairway bunker left which is 50 yards past the other fairway bunker and acts primarily as an approach bunker that has to be hit over if the safe left side is chosen for the drive. We built a whole shoulder off the back of the 15th tee to house the right bunker and created 3 new bunkers at the green which helped angle the approach so that it was more open coming in from the right.


From 7th tee:




From 7th approach bunker:



...

« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:04:27 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2017, 08:47:35 PM »
#8


Eight is a short par four with a blind tee shot that doglegs left for the approach.





... The hole which really intrigues me is #8.  If they would just cut down some rough for this blind shot I think it could be an all-world short par 4. ...
... We've already reworked the 8th green complex, Sean. Removed front bunker, removed left bunker and shaped as grass hollow. Removed two bunkers on right, replaced with one more visible, closer to the green. And reshaped the area so that balls feed in and the green flows more naturally to the bunker (false edge on green pad before).


I've left it open whether we will do work further back in landing zone. The tee will definitely be reshaped in time. ...


Blind tee shot





Approach





Reworked green complex showing difference from aerial view above and Sean's photo below








View of green from behind






« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:13:58 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2017, 08:50:21 PM »
I feel like I really blew the decision that day at Buda Cup.  I opted to only play one round that day at Sligo.  Whilst Sligo was nice, good company, nice lunch, I really can see by the excellent photos, that Strandhill seems the more authentic Irish links.  If I ever get back, I won't miss Strandhill.
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2017, 08:57:37 PM »
#9


Nine is a short par three at the very edge of the property, thereby not being very aesthetically pleasing.





... It's a little perverse for me to say that I'm not a fan of huge dunes and then say that they should get rid of 9, 10 & 11 and replace them with the big stuff at the back. ...


... The two serious let down holes for me are 9 and 17. ...
... I would agree with Sean on a couple of things - 9 and 17 are fairly bland holes, ...
... I heard that the intention was to take the par 3 9th out of play, which I think would be a shame.


The thing I have noticed playing in the British Isles is that many par three holes commonly place a row across the front of par three holes. It is like the default way to build a par three when you have little to work with. Here they certainly had little to work with and are butting up against buildings that needed protection from wayward shots. I will not be disappointed at all if this hole goes away.


Tee shot





Green site






« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:18:44 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2017, 10:08:06 PM »
#10


The 10th hole is called The Road, not because it is a facsimile of "The Road" hole, but because it runs adjacent to the entrance road. It is not that adjacent in my experience, as it is 85 yards from the center of the fairway when 200 yards from the tee.





... 10 & 11 are average (playing up and down) and would make a perfect spot for a driving range. ...


SAY WHAT????


... they should get rid of 9, 10 & 11 ...


REALLY???!!!???


... Really, 10 and 11 could be very good holes. ...


... I got a sense of deflation walking up 10 knowing that I was coming right back down 11 (which had a decent green site all the same). I think the club have had safety problems with No.10 and the access road and the position is perfect for a practice area.


There are a few remote chances to hit a ball onto the road from #10. Sending people out with buckets of balls to hit on the driving range would seem to be a counterintuitive solution. ;)


... #10 is a bit dangerous with the road and folks blasting at that green, but in a way this is what makes it a decent hole!  Its a dangerous drive, but can reward the player who pulls it off.  Its the setting more than anything which detracts from the hole.  Stick it in the middle of the course and few would think it is boring.   


I loved 10 from the beginning. I don't understand the yardage on the scorecard, as it doesn't measure anything like that on Google Earth. The danger on the left, plus the heaving dunes in the fairway, makes it a better short par four to me than 8.




... Since I posted my comments in 2010, I've become rather fond of the 10th hole which has some great ground movement. ...


Now we're talking! :)


Tee





Danger left and bunkers right





Green front





Green from back showing the danger on the left for approaches






« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:34:29 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2017, 10:15:15 PM »
#11


Eleven heads right back down somewhat parallel to where ten came up the hill towards the clubhouse.





Much of the discussion of 11 was lumped in with the discussion of 10. The one comment I can replicate is the following.


... walking up 10 knowing that I was coming right back down 11 (which had a decent green site all the same). ...


Personally, I don't remember a thing about playing 11, which is different than my experience playing the rest of the holes at Strandhill. I must have been stewing about missing a short birdie putt on 10.


Tee shot





Landing area with what must be a new bunker on the left as it is not in the aerial view.





Leading into greeen




« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:39:59 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2017, 10:19:38 PM »
#12


... 12 plays up and left to a skyline green and is pretty good. ...





I too thought 12 looked good, although my play took a big detour to the left with a big slice creeping in to my swing on the drive.


Tee shot





Approach shot (aiming post showing above left edge of fairway.





Skyline green





... 12 is a hole that is in progress right now. We've replaced the 5 fairway bunkers to the left with one large carry bunker and another 50 yards further up the hill on the right for those that bail out. Here's the carry bunker nearing end of construction:



The green is skyline but all else was bland, it being popped up on an artificial pod with two badly placed blind flanking bunkers. So we placed new bunkers in to work with the fairway strategy and reshaped the edge of the green between these bunkers to give a much more natural false front. Photo in progress once some of the sod had been laid back down:



...

« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:50:32 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2017, 10:35:21 PM »
#13


Thirteen is the iconic hole of the course. It is like the Dell is to Lahinch. I.e., The Valley is to Strandhill as The Dell is to Lahinch.


It is a par four with a blind drive and an approach through a narrow slot in a dune to a small green.





... I've yet to make my mind up on 13 which is definite quirk to the smallest green I have seen (guess under 200m2) placed between two dunes (reminiscent of The Dell at Lahinch but with some visibility). ...


Note: There are a couple of smaller greens at Astoria Country Club in Oregon that I have seen, so this green was no surprise to me.


... Not so keen on the 13th with it's tiny green ...
... I liked Strandhill a lot but the 13th is simply a bad hole ...


A blind hole is only truly blind once. Next time around you guys will love it. ;)


13 may be a bad hole, though I vehemently disagree, but it is a hole with distinction and therefore is essential to the design just as the Dell is to Lahinch. ...
... It seems to me that 13 requires thinking and judgement to determine what you can get out of the hole given each individual circumstance. In that sense, it is quite a good hole. ... Both holes (13 and 15) can be a bit of a problem on the first or next few plays, but I think they would become holes the knowledgeable player would look forward to each round.




I also note that Finnegan calls out both (13 and 15) as interesting holes at the course in his golf travel books.




And, a member of my club that used to work with a company with a branch in Sligo thinks they (13 and 15) are the most memorable and enjoyable holes on the course.


... It doesn't much matter if folks like or dislike 13...its a hole that is far too interesting and unusual to debate its merits or faults.  The hole is a definite keeper full stop. ...
... 13th - add some simple aiming aids, eg white stones on the dunes maybe? Envisaged bunker and green/path mods noted. Green is tiny but it's been there a long time. Something tells me this is very, very nearly a great hole but some piece in the holes jigsaw is missing. Not sure what though! ...


Blind tee shot





View down to landing area





Slot in dune with green lying beyond





Make your own Dell hole with drive ending here





Preferably you have one of these approaches








Green from front and back








Looking back







... Mostly, we are placing more natural edge bunkers in the fairways with revetted bunkers where there is short grass all around. Here are a couple on the right side of 13:



...



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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2017, 10:43:39 PM »
#14


The fourteenth is a par three channeled between the dunes to a narrow green.




... Quite liked the par-3 14th ...
... I like the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th 8th, 14th and 18th best ...
... I am very surprised there were no comments concerning 14. ...
14? Narrow green like Bandon Trails 14 that is hard to hit and hold? No controversy there, I'm sure.
... Garland, 14 is pretty skinny for sure. We'll give a tiny bit more room by taking off an intrusive dune nose on the right and by filling in the left bunker and replacing with a short grass run-off. We also intend to fill in the front bunker and replace it with one pushed in to the dune on the right. ...
... 14th - seemed a nice hole as is


Tee shot





Closer view of the target





View of the dune channel from the back showing there is bunker on left from tee






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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2017, 10:51:46 PM »
#15


A par four with a blind drive to a par four fairway that doglegs left and heads uphill to a skyline green.





Some of the commentary on this hole has been seen in the commentary for #13 already. Additional comments follow.


... unsure of the big dune 15th which plays to one of those flat elevated Hackett plateaus. ...
... Not so keen on ... the severely uphill 15th with it's top-hat green ...
... the 15th is borderline. ...
... I don't see anything wrong with 15. ...
... 15 can be difficult if all you have in your bag are straight shots or shots turning right. However, turning the ball left with control would give the player an advantage on the hole. Both holes can be a bit of a problem on the first or next few plays, but I think they would become holes the knowledgeable player would look forward to each round.
... I have no idea what the fuss is concerning 15.   It reminds me a ton of Cruden Bay's 7th. ...
... 15th - hole doesn't balance for me...lay-up off the tee and then a maybe even longer very uphill shot to the volcano green. Would it be possible for the mowing lines down the left side to be adjusted so longer left side tee shots are possible for all rather than just the longer hitters who can fly the corner rough/mounds?


Tee shot





Approach shot





Sean's picture short of green zooming in Knocknarea Mountain





Backside of green and bunkers downslope on the southside of the green





Oceanview from green






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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2017, 10:57:06 PM »
#16


Sixteen is the second longest par fours that runs straight in a southward direction across a rumpled fairway paralleling the fantastically rumpled fifth hole.





... 16, 17 and 18 are all pretty good holes in my book. ...
... 16 were fine holes. ...
... Not so keen on ... the 16th with it's huge double level green seemed a bit bland but with more plays these holes might grow on me. ...
... Thomas, the 16th may appear blandish but with the second most rumpled fairway (after the 5th) and with the bay backing the green, it has big potential. So we are widening the fairway, pushing it left and putting a very small, cheeky centreline bunker in the middle right of the fairway with a new trench bunker front left of the green. Safe way off the tee will make it play more of a gentle dogleg to the right. ...
... 16th - Ally's thoughts sound good. ...


Tee shot





Rumpled fairway





Runin to significantly tiered green





Looking back at tiered green and rumpled fairway




... The 16th was also mentioned previously... There was an opportunity to really make a visual impact with bunkers here but I opted for a simple strategy rather than promoting aesthetics at the cost of subtlety. Currently in the process of widening the fairway on both sides, you see the small centreline bunker and the new bunker front left of the green. Eventually we'll grow rough in on the right side of the green to give it some definition between the 5th fairway (which will also realign further away):



...

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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2017, 11:03:06 PM »
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After mounting the dune top behind sixteen, you stand on the tee for the longest par three on the course on number seventeen.





... The two serious let down holes for me are 9 and 17. ...
... No. 17 is only OK, I'll give you that. But it's long and asks for a good long iron at a critical time. Similar to No. 16 at Rosses Point.
... I would agree with Sean on a couple of things - 9 and 17 are fairly bland holes ...
... 17th - nice new bunkering on the left ...


As can be seen by the following photos, Ally has reworked the hole since the aerial view was captured.


Tee shot





New bunkering on the left





Runin to 17 green. The ball would have to turn some left to runin this direction.





Looking back at 17






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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2017, 11:07:23 PM »
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I have no idea how Clyde managed his pictures on eighteen. As a 19 handicap I had been waiting to get my two strokes there the whole round. However, when we got there the wind was whipping the rain into our faces on the longest par four on the course which runs uphill to near the clubhouse. Perhaps Clyde was able to go out after it dryed out a bit and get his pictures.





... 16, 17 and 18 are all pretty good holes in my book. ...
... I like the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th 8th, 14th and 18th best ...
18th - needs a wee tweek, not sure quite what, something visual, maybe to do with the maintenance buildings. ...


Tee shot





Maintenance facility on the dogleg of the hole.





Eighteenth green




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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2017, 11:13:37 PM »
You may have noticed discussion of future modifications as you photo toured the course. Ally was kind enough to provide a routing for what they are working towards. Previous news I have read on this website says that the extension into the dunes behind the fourth hole are being looked on favorably by the permitting agencies.





I made an attempt to get the elevation profile of the proposed thirteenth hole by making a best guess of its location on Google Earth. The profile indicates that perhaps the approach shot would be blind, but probably not classifyable as an Alps Hole.





Let the commentary renew.

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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2017, 11:30:35 PM »
Yeah, I totally blew that day during Buda gathering, opting to only play one round that day at Sligo, and skipping Strandhill.  Oh well, maybe there will be a next time.  Great pics. 

Sligo was nice, and the company was fun, with a decent lunch.  But, it seems apparent Strandhill is the better representation of Irish links from the photos and the chatter.


No worries Dick. You found your own little gem at Ardglass. One always has to make some tradeoffs, especially now as we pass through old fartism.
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2017, 04:33:15 AM »
Very comprehensive Garland so many thanks for sharing. Seldom have I seen 11 wetter, colder and more generally bedraggled golfers walk off an 18th green than that dark afternoon at Strandhill so a great effort by you and Clyde to produce such quality photos, especially of the latter holes.
There is a great deal to like about Strandhill. I look forward to returning one day when more of Ally's work is on show.
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Re: Strandhill Photo Tour and Commentary
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2017, 12:56:30 PM »
Well said Dai. I didn't manage to play Strandhill but was there to wave most of the golfers off at the first tee before travelling home. Having played it before I'd happily elected to play County Sligo which I'd also played before. To me there is no doubt which is/was the better course and that's Sligo however I think the changes being made at both courses could give pause to consider. Either way I'd certainly be interested in having another go at Strandhill once Ally's plans come to fruition.


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