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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Why is #1 @ Riviera still considered a par 5?
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2017, 03:20:28 PM »
If they call #1 a par 4, how will that change strategies, outcomes, etc. in the tournament?


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Carl Nichols

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Re: Why is #1 @ Riviera still considered a par 5?
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2017, 03:47:27 PM »
This doesn't answer the question about what par to list on #1 for the pros, but according to the scorecard, from the members' tees #1 is 497 yards while #2 is 438 yards . . . which lines up with one being a par 5 and the other being a par 4.   

Matthew Essig

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Re: Why is #1 @ Riviera still considered a par 5?
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2017, 07:16:04 PM »
If they call #1 a par 4, how will that change strategies, outcomes, etc. in the tournament?


For the pros/amateurs, nothing. They play it as a par 4 anyway. It plays to a 4.27 with no risk except OB way left of the corridor. The length is 500 yards, but subtracting the downhill tee shot, plays about 475-480 yards. It is just a long par 4 for them.
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Sam Kestin

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Re: Why is #1 @ Riviera still considered a par 5?
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2017, 02:20:43 PM »
For what it's worth--some guys in this thread have talked about the abandoned back tee that was formerly used when the hole was a par-5.


Not sure if this came through on TV--but that tee has actually been restored to a reasonably close approximation of its original location. It's almost even with the greensite on the first hole--backed all the way up against the tall grass between the 11th greensite and the set of back tees on 12.


It's brutal. 520 yards with the second shot playing up the hill and usually into a quartering wind that comes in from the left.


Unquestionably, if you stretch out both 1 and 2 to their max, the second hole would play to a higher raw scoring average than the first hole would.

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