[Pete_Pittock]

#2 at Fircrest
#s 6,8,16 at Sagebrush
# 3 at Old Macdonald
#s 1 and 9(lower) at Pacific Dunes
#s 4,6,18 at Bandon Trails
#2 at Juniper

[Joe Hancock]

#2 at U of M Course?

[BCowan]

#2 at U of M Course?

Green doesn't run away on #2, #3 and #4 were close but had disqualifying factors for each. 

[Kalen Braley]

Corey,


I think you raise a valid point.  And the example I used of the course in Spokane, you had to walk 50 yards or so back to the mens tees from the previous green, and then up the hill.  So for those playing the forward tees, they are actually knocking 100 yards off the walk of the men...50 yards in each direction.

[Tim Gallant]

The first two that spring to mind: 7 on the Old Course at Sunningdale and the 11th at Swinley Forest.

[Michael Felton]

The first two that spring to mind: 7 on the Old Course at Sunningdale and the 11th at Swinley Forest.

Sunningdale is one that I had in my head. The other is the 2nd hole at Royal Ashdown Forest. I can't find a picture of it online, but it certainly qualifies for the first bit. There's a stream in front of the green though so you can't run it in there, unless you get lucky and bounce over it.

[Ira Fishman]

The 5th hole at The Island Club seems to qualify.  Blind shot to downhill, rumpled fairway down to green that runs away front to back left.

[Garland Bayley]

#2 at Fircrest


Good one.

#s 6,8,16 at Sagebrush


I don't see how these are up and over. But, definitely finishing downhill.

# 3 at Old Macdonald


Good one. Even Tom Doak thinks this one qualifies.

#s 1 and 9(lower) at Pacific Dunes


I don't see 1 as up and over, but 9 is a great choice.

#s 4,6,18 at Bandon Trails


4 is a good choice, 6 not so much up, and 18 up, over, down, and up again.

[Tim Martin]

8 Essex County Club
8 Fishers Island
17 Yale
9 CC of Troy

[corey miller]

Not sure there exists a photo of #11 at Royal Greenwich.  It of course follows #10 which has an equally awkward uphill tee shot and that is equally UN-photogenic. 

Sorry Mike.....I am sure if the club had allowed Hanse and Bahto to do what they proposed we would be seeing/hearing things everywhere.

Giant missed opportunity, perhaps the largest of the post 2000 modern restoration era.

[MCirba]

Always a shame when a good plan fails to come to fruition, Corey.   

When you think about how well the restoration at your other course came out, it must be even more disappointing.

[JReese]

Par 5 7th at Beverly CC?

[Mike Bodo]

There are many more up and over holes that are classics, if you don't have to have the fallaway green as part of the package.  The one I'm surprised no one has mentioned is the 8th at Pebble Beach.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 11th at Augusta, although it's arguable if the crest of the fairway is actually higher than the tee box given that the fairway dips then rises. That said, it's still a blind tee shot with a treacherous downhill second to a green that falls away from the front towards the water.

[Ed Homsey]

Not sure it would be considered a "great golf hole", but the 9th at CC of Troy, in Troy, NY, is a great example.  The green site is a terrific creation by Travis.

[Adam Lowes]

The first two that spring to mind: 7 on the Old Course at Sunningdale and the 11th at Swinley Forest.

How about #2 at Swinley Forest?

[Tim Gallant]

The first two that spring to mind: 7 on the Old Course at Sunningdale and the 11th at Swinley Forest.

How about #2 at Swinley Forest?

Strong as well. How about the 11th on the Old at Sunningdale as well?

[MCirba]

Some modern ones have been mentioned here, but are there others folks can think of?   

Dan Hermann, do you think 4 at French Creek would qualify or does that play mostly uphill with a fallaway green?  Or, is it a case that most players can't drive to the top of the hill, particularly from the tips?

[BCrosby]

Good catch re: the current 11th at ANGC, though it was not an Up and Over hole originally. When the course opened the 11th tee was positioned to the right of the 10th green. From there the 11th played, essentially, downhill.

On the front nine of the North Course at Cherokee in ATL, there are no less than four Up and Over holes. The 3rd, 4th, 6th and 8th.

Bob

[Mike Hendren]

Pete, good call on the 2nd at Fircrest - a most unusual hole.  A good drive catches the shelf benched into the hill.  The second is most interesting given the nob in the middle of the fairway just short of the green which can impact any attempt to run a shot into the green.  A ball catching the back side of that mound can scoot across the green.  The modest mound surrounding the green functions to create a bit of a punchbowl effect.   

Please post a pic or two if you have them.  The hole is unconventional but appealing.

Hope you're well.

Mike

[Tim Fitz]

Does the second hole at Erin Hills count as an up and over hole?  Certainly a blind tee shot to a landing zone that falls away towards the green.  What I can't recall is whether the green also falls from front to back.

From folks that I speak to, this hole is somewhat controversial with many parkland golfers from the US thrown off by the blind tee shot.  Frankly, I like the hole.

[Pete_Pittock]

Garland is correct about 18 at Bandon Trails does not meet the criteria, with a lower green inviting run-ups. But he is terribly wrong about his only submission - Langdon Farms #7. The landing area is visible from the tee, even with my shortish-average stature. The last 150 yards are level, and there is a creek  crossing the fairway, much of it directly in front of the green.


Thank you Mike. I deleted Trails 18 from my list and added the 2nd at Juniper. If I thought about it some more, the 10th at Wine Valley is a candidate

[MClutterbuck]

We have 2 Up and Over Holes at El Desafio on the front 9. The opening hole is a gentle par 4, with the drive playing over a ravine and upslope. I love the blindness of the drive, shielding the player from what will soon be fantastic long views of the Andes. Beyond the ridge, a very wide fairway takes away any anxiety about the blind nature of the hole. The second shot plays down to the green. Below is a link to a video recently shot by a visitor from the middle of the fairway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNAgVJk4AC8

Conversely, the par 4 third hole is probably the most difficult hole on the course. It requires a good drive to make it to the top ridge. The fairway slopes gently down at first, then becomes steeper. If the drive is not long enough, the second shot may be semi blind to the green. Although the original design maintained a creek in front of the green, it was ultimately covered and the creek is only visible short left.

To the left is #2 fairway. The drive is over the ridge on the right. Sorry about the volcanic sand top dressing showing up on the picture.


The second shot.



 

[Garland Bayley]

Garland is correct about 18 at Bandon Trails does not meet the criteria, with a lower green inviting run-ups. But he is terribly wrong about his only submission - Langdon Farms #7. The landing area is visible from the tee, even with my shortish-average stature. The last 150 yards are level, and there is a creek  crossing the fairway, much of it directly in front of the green.


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The one time I played it, my drive disappeared over the rise. It is the only one of my scramble team that did so. This is of course as I recall many years ago, and my memory may not be impeccable.


EDIT: A google earth profile shows the rise topping out over 270 yards off the tee. It shows my second would have been off a down slope running down to the stream. The green probably was somewhat level instead of running away, except than when the second finishes out to the left across the stream the third may be down from there.

[Jon Wiggett]

Just realised that Huddersfield GC has a terrific finishing hole that is an up and over. Par 5 played up a stout hill (50 foot +) which then tumbles down the otherside to the green over 100 foot below. The view from the top across the whole of the front nine and much of the Pennines is breathtaking.


Jon

[Dean DiBerardino]

The 2nd at Mayfield (see images below) is definitely Up & Over from the tee. Not so much on the approach with the smallish green surrounded by bunkers. The 9th at Mayfield could also fit the description and has a green that is somewhat open in front and more agreeable to a run up shot.

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