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Steve_ Shaffer

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MOUNTAIN SHADOWS CONSTRUCTION TOUR

GCA-ers have an opportunity to do a walk-about at the new Mountain Shadows Resort course while it is still in the shaping/building stages. Forrest Richardson is putting together a small GCA group to meet Saturday, May 14th. We will meet at 9:30, take a walking tour and then we all gather for lunch and some Q&A. Forrest is setting up lunch at the nearby Sanctuary Resort, which is managed by Westroc who will be managing the Mountain Shadows property.

Mountain Shadows, for those who have not heard, closed early this year for a long awaited complete makeover. The new course will be an all-par-3 layout of 18 holes. It will be among only a few higher-end par-3 full 18-hole courses in the west - and the first in Arizona. Forrest is just about completed with the greens shaping so we will get to see the pre-turf layout and most of the bunkers already shaped. A great opportunity for those who may never have set foot on a golf construction site. Unfortunately we need to limit this to about 10 people, so it needs to be on a first–come basis by way of a response. Please contact me via private message or email if you're interested.


A routing plan will soon appear on Forrest's website.


Here's the prior thread.


http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,19963.msg355914.html#msg355914
« Last Edit: January 22, 2017, 10:47:40 AM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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Mark Smolens

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Up until her illness a couple of years ago, my Mom was a denizen of the ladies group at Mountain Shadows. I always found it a great place to play on the first day of a visit to the Valley -- requiring precise irons to small greens was a great way to shake off the rust of the long Chicago winters.

Wish I could get out there for the tour.

Forrest Richardson

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Looking forward to the hike with Steve and some local GCA-ers. It's been a real joy to work on the transformation. Not only am I continuing the wonderful Jack Snyder vision from 1960, but its a short drive from my primary residence! While I enjoy flying and traveling, it sure is refreshing to get in the truck and be at the site in a few minutes. There is even a Starbucks en route  :)
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Here is the Master Plan showing the routing:


"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Forrest Richardson

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Should be a fun morning. Steve Shaffer will contact each who RSVP-ed with specifics. My favorite weather site — Weather Underground — says 70s in the morning up to 85 when we walk off to grab lunch.


Sweet Arizona!
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Dave Givnish

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Good job, Forrest.


Mountain Shadows is going to be a great addition to golf in the Valley. It should be really fun to play when it opens this upcoming season.  It's close to the airport and I think it will put a smile on your face. Think playing the day you arrive or leave, or if you're in for a business trip but don't have time for a full blown resort round.


The greens are a good deal bigger than when the course closed - average about 5,000 sq ft vs. 3,000 sq ft. There should be plenty of movement in them. Forrest put a surprise or two in there as well. The course should be very easy to walk. I'm looking forward to how the golf lounge experience that the resort is planning.


What I noticed most about the changes is how open the course feels now. A number of trees were removed that opened up site lines to Camelback Mountain. Notice the routing in the map on holes 13 and 14. They share a very large green with a Riviera-like bunker towards the back. You play to 13, and then walk down to 14 tee to play back to the other side of the green with a very different looking shot. That's going to be the subject of much conversation at the bar.


Thanks again to all who arranged today's event.

Tom Yost

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My thanks to Forrest for the very interesting tour.  It should be a very fun-to-play course and I'm looking forward to having a new short course option.

And a big thanks to the WestRock people for the generous hospitality.

Steve_ Shaffer

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It was  a fun day, very educational and interesting and thanks to Westroc's hospitality, an enjoyable culinary experience. 


I agree with Dave Givnish's assessment in that the primary play will be guests at Westroc's Sanctuary and the new  Mountain Shadows resort. However, locals will have a good experience from playing the new course on an occasional basis to sharpen their short game and iron play.


I have some  pics that I'll post later and maybe others will too.


Thanks again Forrest and Westroc!!!
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Mark Smolens

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Although my mother hasn't gone back to golf after a recent injury, I seem to recall that they had a very competitive skins game one afternoon per week at MS. Lots of local assistant pros played along side members and some very good am players. Sounds like the revised course would fit well into that continuing...

Steve_ Shaffer

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Mark,


The former pro at Mountain Shadows , Tom Colceri, was there for the tour and talked about the old Skins game there. They may happen again in the future.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2016, 02:11:32 PM by Steve_ Shaffer »
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Forrest Richardson

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I do think the Skins Game will return. At this point it has gotten good traction by the new owners/operators.
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Mountain Shadows GC ( Paradise Valley, AZ, Richardson) Aerial
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2016, 04:39:50 PM »
Courtesy of Forrest Richardson, GCA


Aerial with 360* Spherical Image:


https://aerialsphere.com/spheres/arizona/08312016/4/


The 2,400 yard par-54 will anchor the fully re-built Mountain Shadows Resort, a joint project of Woodbine Development and Westroc Resorts. Located at the base of iconic Camelback Mountain in Paradise Valley, Arizona, the resort and golf course will debut in February 2017. Thanks to Aerial Sphere / Todd Photo, the following link is provided for you to explore the pre-opening course with an interactive 360-spherical image. Simply click on the link and see what we have been up to for the past eight months. [/font][/color][/font][/size]
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Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Dave Givnish

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Interesting to see how little turf there is compared to the original course. It looks good and the grass is filling in well.


The overhead centers on the new hotel. Most of the course is located toward you and off the screen as you open it.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Mountain Shadows GC ( Paradise Valley, AZ, Richardson) Aerial now posted
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2016, 11:23:47 PM »
The Short Course at Mountain Shadows to Open with Resort in February 2017Reinvented Scottsdale golf course designed to be the preeminent par-3 course in the countryParadise Valley, Ariz.(Dec. 2, 2016) – The Short Coursewill debut along with the highly anticipated Mountain Shadowson February 14, 2017, as the resort’s scenic golf course. Set in the shadow of Camelback Mountain, the course is in serene Paradise Valley, adjacent to Scottsdale. The course is aptly named, as it will feature 18 diverse par-3 holes, along with a bonus wager hole. It offers a variety of play options suited for families, corporate outings, novice players and serious golfers alike.Renowned golf course architect Forrest Richardson, ASGCA, principal of Forrest Richardson & Associates, breathed new life into The Short Course with a complete redesign. Formerly known as Mountain Shadows Golf Club, it was originally designed by well-known golf course architect Arthur Jack Snyder, under whom Richardson studied. Earlier this month, The Short Course was honored by the fifth annual American Society of Golf Course Architects Design Excellence Recognition Program. Richardson’s design is grounded in his belief that golf should be fun, his goal being not only revitalize the course, but also to set a new bar for the par-3 golf experience. The Short Course at Mountain Shadows is among only a handful of 18-hole, high-end, par-3 golf courses in the world that are open to the public.“Fun golf is defined by presenting puzzles that beckon the player back for more. At MountainShadows we have created just that — a series of riddles that are demanding, but all the while enjoyable,” said Richardson.Hallmarks of the course are the exceptional greens surfaces and distinct holes, each with stunning mountain views. These, combined with the intense flexibility of tees, create an unparalleled experience. Holes play from 60 to 200 yards. The golfer will not only get to use an array of clubs, but will be able to complete 18 holes in just a few hours. The abbreviated playing time will provide a respite to golfers in the Arizona summers and allow guests to get a round in before a day of resort relaxation or desert exploration.The story of the course is also one of environmental transition. The trend of the past was to create longer golf courses; however, this goes against land conservation and responsible water use, of particular importance in the desert. Turf area has been reduced by more than 50 percent, and the resulting water conservation means an even more sustainable golf course than the original.“Our work here is not solely to re-create, but to look deep into the original design. At every turn we brought to the surface the attributes which were so amazingly innovative in the early 1960s — but we have done so in a language which fits the new Mountain Shadows resort. Our goal was to find the same beauty, harmony, function and innovation as Jack Snyder created more than 50 years ago,” said Richardson.Tom McCahan, director of golf and club operations, brings decades of experience in golf management. He worked at The Boulders in Carefree, Arizona for 25 years, most recently as the director of golf and club operations. Tom’s long history in the Valley and expertise will ensure an exceptional golf experience at Mountain Shadows.Complementing the new golf course will be Rusty’s, a patio and lounge featuring grille fare, drinks, and outdoor seating with mountain views. The name pays homage to Rusty Lyon, father of Westroc Hospitality CEO Scott Lyon. The Short Course will also feature a large putting green, golf carts and some of the best views in the Valley.About Mountain ShadowsMountain Shadows is the new boutique resort in Paradise Valley, Arizona, adjacent to Scottsdale. Set in the shadow of iconic Camelback Mountain and opening in early 2017, it will feature desert modern design, 183 guest rooms, a luxury wing with 42 resort condominiums and suites, a restaurant with an exhibition kitchen, two pools, a high-tech fitness facility, a fully revamped 18-hole golf course with a golf grill and lounge, and 37,500squarefeet of indoor and outdoor event space. www.mountainshadows.comThe Short Course18-holes, Par-54 2,310 yards 2,065 yards 1,735 yardsThe Mountain Shadows Golf Club was ranked among the finest precision-length courses in the world. In the 1970s and 80s, Golf Digest continually named it one of the best short courses in America. With an emphasis on fun for the casual golfer, as well as the serious player, the newly configured and fully rebuilt course will feature eighteen par-3 holes, each with an interesting personality. Using the same icons as ski resorts, each hole combines more difficult Diamond Tees, intermediate Square Tees and easier Circle Tees to be selected by the golfer to form their personal course layout.The course opening is a trip along the perimeter of the property in a counterclockwise orientation. Views of Camelback Mountain begin to cascade into the round of golf. The finish is back along the perimeter, but in more open spaces. Here the course shines with the unforgettable Mummy and Dell holes, long par-3s and elevated tees. At the final destination, the course spills into the resort as if it were a ski slope winding down from the mountain above.Hole descriptions:HOLE NO. 1 — PLUNGE — 107 • 95 • 75 Peering up to the famous Camelback Mountain, the opener plays to a slightly elevated green backed by steep slopes. The green is defined by an upper bowl at the left and a low gathering area to the right. A graceful way to begin the round. It’s all there for the taking.HOLE NO. 2 — CLIMB — 162 • 142 • 133 Flanked by two bunkers, the long green cascades down toward the tee with three levels. Most certainly, No. 2 will not play the same from day to day with its 100-foot deep green. This is the primary challenge: The long mid-iron shot to an uphill green allows for a 25-yard swing in hole length.HOLE NO. 3 — FLAGON — 156 • 150 • 117 From the Old French word flacon, used to describe a vase or bottle, The Flagon Hole is indeed a “bottle” with its pinched green tucked among dramatic mounds. Although there are no bunkers, the thoughtful player will understand this by no means translates to an easy par. Once at the green, the player is greeted with an amazing peek at Camel Head, the red rock feature that completes Camelback Mountain at its western tip.HOLE NO. 4 — BIARRITZ — 193 • 184 • 139 The original Biarritz hole sat along the Atlantic coast of France above Bay of Biscay. The Biarritz at Mountain Shadows is a twist on the original, sporting a low valley to the left of the green. Often described as the par-three that acts more like a four, this is the longest of the holes atMountain Shadows.HOLE NO. 5 — NUTSHELL — 90 • 82 • 76 Turning direction to the east, No. 5 is a seemingly tiny hole that sends a signal the round is becoming even more interesting. The green sits on a ridge with its surface a mystery until one arrives to begin the putting. In a nutshell, it’s a devious little hole. Best not to be taken too lightly.HOLE NO. 6 — SIXTH SENSE — 120 • 112 • 70 With a pronounced ridge extending into the green surface, hole locations here will confound the tee shot to a significant degree. At the back of the rolling green is a target location guarded by a strong ridge that serves as a barrier to the upper level.HOLE NO. 7 — JUTTY — 75 • 70 • 50 The shortest of holes does not always translate to the easiest, as is proved here. Defined by a stone ledge on all sides and front, the green appears much smaller than it actually is. This is due to the perilous watery grave that awaits those shots too far off line or a wee bit short.HOLE NO. 8 — EBB — 175 • 155 • 150 From well above the green one imagines it is an easy swipe to the green. But, much like those fun houses with odd angles, warped floors and mirrors, the green is perplexing. Its first defense is a redan, the point of a triangle facing the golfer designed to knock shots left or right. Next is a fall-away green, higher in the front than at the rear. Then, at the rear, is a collection bunker where misjudged shots can easily roll. Only the well-placed tee shot will overcome this feature and have a chance at coming to rest on the putting surface.HOLE NO. 9 — HALO — 90 • 83 • 64At just under 100 yards from the back tee, a wedge or short iron will do nicely. The key is maintaining control and not encountering one of the greenside bunkers. Often described as the island, this marks the halfway point in the round where, so far, the routing has taken us up toward Camelback Mountain, around the corner and into what is affectionately referred to as The Donut, the special centerpiece of Mountain Shadows where Holes 7 through 12 delight the senses.
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Mountain Shadows GC ( Paradise Valley, AZ, Richardson) Aerial now posted
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2016, 11:32:44 PM »
HOLE NO. 10 — PUNCHBOWL — 100 • 90 • 83 While appearing as opposites, the 9th is surrounded by sand and at the 10th we have not even a single grain — the relationship of the 9th and 10th is complementary, at least in terms of design. You cannot see the green, except for that small sliver at the front. Sometimes the flagstick only presents its uppermost end with the flag waving above the surrounding berms. Instead of sand, its moat is inverse and all covered in grass.HOLE NO. 11 — SNYDER BURN — 166 • 138 • 87 The modern version at this long one-shotter was simply shifting the green to the edge of the stream. Edged by stone at the right, the long green dribbles down the slope with a welcomed bail-out area to the left. It is here, along this curved embankment at the bail-out, that the seasoned player will learn how to bank a shot much like an Indy-500 driver takes a super-elevated turn.HOLE NO. 12 — OASIS — 84 • 75 • 67 At the 12th we find a green in two distinct levels, the lower ending abruptly at the water’s edge. A bunker serving as sentry to the left and all shots played too conservatively away from the water. At the back to the right is our oasis — a grove of palms as old as the course itself. Here the strategy is to pick your distance carefully.HOLE NO. 13 — MUMMY — 125 • 115 • 111 Named for its likeness to nearby Mummy Mountain, the 13th is defined by a large mummy shaped ridge that forms its left edge. Sharing a huge green with Hole No. 14, the length here can play as much as 35 yards longer (to nearly 160 yards) when the hole is placed to the far back. Here, the small bunker serves to divide the large double green. No. 13 can play behind the bunker, or to the right. No. 14 the same.HOLE NO. 14 — DELL — 115 • 85 • 67 The most famous dell hole is the 5th at Lahinch on Ireland’s west coast. At our version, a gaping bunker protects the front and that shared bunker with No. 14 is present to catch wayward long balls.HOLE NO. 15 — DIBS — 180 • 152 • 146 The 15th is defined by a large and wide green. Among the putting surface are four distinct levels, quadruple tiers. Front and center is a small trap of sand. At the back and left are two more bunker pits. As with most holes at Mountain Shadows, a running shot can be played creatively to attain the same excellent results as the high and pure shot that lands upon the green and stops squarely as if yanked back by the golfer.HOLE NO. 16 — SCOTCH NOTCH — 108 • 104 • 90 Once at the green you will discover nothing more than a dimple — a notch — that has been pushed into the surface as if by some inebriated Scottish greenkeeper just before planting the grass seed. A different hole to be sure.HOLE NO. 17 — HIGH BAR — 173 • 146 • 138 Looking out over the territorial view to Paradise Valley’s Mummy Mountain, this deceptive hole appears closer to the golfer with its deep bowl fronting the green’s surface. The green is defined by a ridge running across the center from left to right. Regardless, this ridge is not to be ignored for it splits the putting surface into two sections and can lead to a three-putt if not property attacked. THE FORREST WAGER The Short Course comes with a bonus. The Forrest Wager is a long flowing green where the object is to play against your opponents in similar fashion to the popular golf game Bingo-Bango-Bongo. Affectionately described as a par-2, The Forrest Wager can serve to settle bets, solidify a press or determine a tiebreaker.HOLE NO. 18 — BEDROCK — 91 • 87 • 72 Playing downhill toward the modern Mountain Shadows Resort, the culminating hole is a crashing cymbal to a concert performance. A wedge or less, the green is undulating and backed up by a long and winding bunker. The course will open along with the resort early next year, and will be open to the public.
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Ian Mackenzie

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Can a Par 3 course truly make it today? Or, is it exactly what the market needs?


Will it appeal to die-hard golfers or will it be a venue to welcome new blood with 1) less cost 2) faster play 3) easier course.


I say this as I live in the golf crazy city of Chicago where there was once a Dye-designed 9 hole par 3 course in the absolute heart of the city directly beneath a 95 story skyscraper that was, at the time, the 5th tallest building in the world. (1990 or so)It even included a replica of the 17th at TPC Sawgrass.


It was rarely busy. I played it only once. Most fellow golfers I know had same experience.
It was then bulldozed and replaced with apartments. (Yes, I get the economic differences for sure.)

Jeff_Brauer

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Ian,


How does the Joe Black course at Pratt and Western do?  9 Hole executive......my first project!
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Drew Groeger

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You mean "Robert A." Black, how soon we forget!  ;)

Steve_ Shaffer

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"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”