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BCowan

Re: Have today's preeminent architects fallen in love with the long ball?
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2016, 07:56:27 PM »
Bogey,

Where is there a market for opposite field singles? No one is going to risk their money for that nowadays.

I think you're suffering from sentimentality.

You're right, Joe, he is. And I am too. I know sentimentality is not a virtue, but it saddens me that in today's hard-nosed, no nonsense world, it seems to have become a vice. As Mr. Potter said to George Bailey when he was trying to build affordable housing,  "sentimental hogwash" -- as if only what has proven to be a sure fire financial success in the past is worth doing again. I know that what Bogey is asking for is a lost cause, but to quote another Capra film: "You remember lost causes, don't you Mr. Paine? A man we both knew and loved once said they were the only causes worth fighting for".  But there I go getting sentimental again -- never mind, it happens to me every year around this same time, it must be the lack of daylight...
Best wishes to you
Peter


Peter,


    Don't believe Joe, there are great singles out there. Played Champions hill earlier this summer, 15 mins from the downs.  Best $30 I ever spent. Built by a retired band teacher, that is better then half the courses I've played.  They are out there and they are profitable, u just won't hear about them on here because Matty G doesn't announce them on morning soap box.  Gotta talk about the best of the best on here. 

Joe Hancock

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Re: Have today's preeminent architects fallen in love with the long ball?
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2016, 08:19:35 PM »
Bogey,

Where is there a market for opposite field singles? No one is going to risk their money for that nowadays.

I think you're suffering from sentimentality.

You're right, Joe, he is. And I am too. I know sentimentality is not a virtue, but it saddens me that in today's hard-nosed, no nonsense world, it seems to have become a vice. As Mr. Potter said to George Bailey when he was trying to build affordable housing,  "sentimental hogwash" -- as if only what has proven to be a sure fire financial success in the past is worth doing again. I know that what Bogey is asking for is a lost cause, but to quote another Capra film: "You remember lost causes, don't you Mr. Paine? A man we both knew and loved once said they were the only causes worth fighting for".  But there I go getting sentimental again -- never mind, it happens to me every year around this same time, it must be the lack of daylight...
Best wishes to you
Peter


Peter,


    Don't believe Joe, there are great singles out there. Played Champions hill earlier this summer, 15 mins from the downs.  Best $30 I ever spent. Built by a retired band teacher, that is better then half the courses I've played.  They are out there and they are profitable, u just won't hear about them on here because Matty G doesn't announce them on morning soap box.  Gotta talk about the best of the best on here.


This is a thread about today's preeminent architects...you decide who that is, but isn't the retired band teacher from Northern Michigan. Of course there is still the chance for a one-off success story, but the top names in golf aren't looking to create low budget , low maintenance courses...they have mouthes to feed.


Not only that, but with today's land costs, property insurance levels and cost of employees, being sentimental in the golf biz isn't smart.
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

BCowan

Re: Have today's preeminent architects fallen in love with the long ball?
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2016, 08:37:42 PM »
Bogey,

Where is there a market for opposite field singles? No one is going to risk their money for that nowadays.

I think you're suffering from sentimentality.

You're right, Joe, he is. And I am too. I know sentimentality is not a virtue, but it saddens me that in today's hard-nosed, no nonsense world, it seems to have become a vice. As Mr. Potter said to George Bailey when he was trying to build affordable housing,  "sentimental hogwash" -- as if only what has proven to be a sure fire financial success in the past is worth doing again. I know that what Bogey is asking for is a lost cause, but to quote another Capra film: "You remember lost causes, don't you Mr. Paine? A man we both knew and loved once said they were the only causes worth fighting for".  But there I go getting sentimental again -- never mind, it happens to me every year around this same time, it must be the lack of daylight...
Best wishes to you
Peter


Peter,


    Don't believe Joe, there are great singles out there. Played Champions hill earlier this summer, 15 mins from the downs.  Best $30 I ever spent. Built by a retired band teacher, that is better then half the courses I've played.  They are out there and they are profitable, u just won't hear about them on here because Matty G doesn't announce them on morning soap box.  Gotta talk about the best of the best on here.


This is a thread about today's preeminent architects...you decide who that is, but isn't the retired band teacher from Northern Michigan. Of course there is still the chance for a one-off success story, but the top names in golf aren't looking to create low budget , low maintenance courses...they have mouthes to feed.


Not only that, but with today's land costs, property insurance levels and cost of employees, being sentimental in the golf biz isn't smart.


Joe,


    That retired band teacher has 2 courses to his name. He's got 1 or 2 courses over many celebrated on here.  The older i get the more prominemt that guy is to me.  There is too much drooling on here. WPJ was a clubmaker.  They weren't primadonas which the industry created decades ago and is dead now.  Shit I forgot diamond springs and the mines.  DeVries isn't a prominent archie? ;D :-* 8)


I just realized that I got off track, feel free to ignore this post. Apologies to Mr Bogey...
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