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John Kavanaugh

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The infallible moderns
« on: October 27, 2016, 09:22:06 PM »
There should be ten but I can only come up with:


1. Sand Hills
2. Pacific Dunes
3. Friars Head
4. The Golf Club


Where else can we go, Shadow Creek, Muirfield Village, That island green for shit course in Jacksonville, Kingsbarns, Trump something or other....what am I missing?
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Greg Chambers

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 09:30:14 PM »
Sebonack?
Dismalx2?


You're up to 7
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Brian Finn

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 09:31:32 PM »
Ballyneal
Sebonack
Kiawah Ocean


Personally, I'd add Wade Hampton and Muirfield Village, but I doubt those gain consensus here.
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BCowan

Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2016, 09:44:41 PM »
That island green for shit course in Jacksonville

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Jim Hoak

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2016, 09:53:51 PM »
John, I'd stop at your first 3.  Maybe--if you give it time and go outside the US--Cabot Cliffs.
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James Brown

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2016, 10:02:20 PM »
Streamsong.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2016, 08:13:56 AM »
I haven't seen any of these courses but I'd stop at the first three also. They appear here to stay no matter how much tastes and trends alter over the next 50 years.

Closest we get in the UK is Kingsbarns. Castle Stuart may get there eventually.
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Bart Bradley

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2016, 08:39:33 AM »
Ballyneal
Bandon Trails
Castle Stuart
Trump Aberdeen
Kingsbarns
Barnbougle Dunes

In no particular order
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Mark Pritchett

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2016, 09:59:41 AM »
How many infallible classics exist?



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hhuffines

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2016, 10:03:18 AM »
But Golf Digest says Wade Hampton is better than most mentioned so far...
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2016, 10:16:50 AM »
Not surprising that every living architect with the exception of Doak and Coore have been dismissed by the "Play the Top 100" crowd.
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Sean_A

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2016, 10:27:56 AM »
Sand Hills
Pacific Dunes
Friars Head
The Golf Club
Ballyneal
Bandon Trails
Castle Stuart...dreadful walk interuption on the back 9...fallible
Trump Aberdeen...concenrated too much on the aerial game...fallible
Kingsbarns...horrible walk on the back 9...fallible
Barnbougle Dunes
Sebonack
Dismalx2
Streamsong
Sebonack
Kiawah Ocean...bad walk to the 1st and 10th tees....routed mainly n-s...fallible

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Josh Tarble

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2016, 10:33:08 AM »
I'd think you could add either Harbor Town or Whistling Straits.  I'd also add Diamante Dunes.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2016, 10:33:49 AM »
Quote from: Mark Pritchett on October 28, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
How many infallible classics exist?


In the world? No less than 101. Great thing about a classic it can be 6000 yds, skipped by the PTTC crowd and still be infallible. A modern needs both length and media confirmation.
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Joe Sponcia

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2016, 10:47:19 AM »
Put the Wade Hampton routing, flow, repeated raised tee - low fairway mantra on another piece of property...


It looks like it should have a neighborhood encroaching on it, with a grill(e) room that serves fish tacos with a ramekin of orange remoulade, and a wine room behind glass you can see (but can't touch) when you walk in.


No blahzio's - please.
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Jim Hoak

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2016, 12:51:36 PM »
John, how do you define an "infallible" golf course?  Why should there be 10?
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David Davis

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2016, 01:14:24 PM »
Quote from: Jim Hoak on October 28, 2016, 12:51:36 PM
John, how do you define an "infallible" golf course?  Why should there be 10?


+1 John please give us your definition of infallible! Pete Dye, Doak and C&C?


What about Kingsley Club? What about Queenwood? Maybe The European Club, Diamante Dunes, All other Bandon courses, Gamble Sands (though I've not been yet), Shanqin Bay, Tara Iti (not been yet), Cape Kidnappers (not been yet), Wolf Point.


Just to name a few.
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Brian Finn

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2016, 02:00:36 PM »
Quote from: Joe Sponcia on October 28, 2016, 10:47:19 AM
Put the Wade Hampton routing, flow, repeated raised tee - low fairway mantra on another piece of property...
It looks like it should have a neighborhood encroaching on it, with a grill(e) room that serves fish tacos with a ramekin of orange remoulade, and a wine room behind glass you can see (but can't touch) when you walk in.
No blahzio's - please.

I keep slipping!  Darn it.  I forgot we are not allowed to like Fazio courses on GCA.  I also failed to realize that the F&B operation impacted the quality of a golf course.  The only thing I ate last time I was at Wade Hampton was a ham sandwich on white bread at the turn house.
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BHoover

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2016, 02:05:12 PM »
Quote from: Brian Finn on October 28, 2016, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Sponcia on October 28, 2016, 10:47:19 AM
Put the Wade Hampton routing, flow, repeated raised tee - low fairway mantra on another piece of property...
It looks like it should have a neighborhood encroaching on it, with a grill(e) room that serves fish tacos with a ramekin of orange remoulade, and a wine room behind glass you can see (but can't touch) when you walk in.
No blahzio's - please.

I keep slipping!  Darn it.  I forgot we are not allowed to like Fazio courses on GCA.  I also failed to realize that the F&B operation impacted the quality of a golf course.  The only thing I ate last time I was at Wade Hampton was a ham sandwich on white bread at the turn house.

You also aren't allowed to like fish tacos. Street tacos are iffy too.
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BCowan

Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2016, 02:07:55 PM »
The 3 by 5 note cards haven't been sent out yet, site tbd.  Apologies.
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Eric Smith

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2016, 02:09:26 PM »
Quote from: Brian Finn on October 28, 2016, 02:00:36 PM

I keep slipping!  Darn it.  I forgot we are not allowed to like Fazio courses on GCA.  I also failed to realize that the F&B operation impacted the quality of a golf course.  The only thing I ate last time I was at Wade Hampton was a ham sandwich on white bread at the turn house.







"Are you going to HARVARD?" "Do you BLOG golf architecture?"


Ham sandwich, you say ... damn that sounds about perfect right now.
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Brian Finn

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2016, 02:13:17 PM »
Quote from: Ben Cowan (Michigan) on October 28, 2016, 02:07:55 PM
The 3 by 5 note cards haven't been sent out yet, site tbd.  Apologies.

Don't forget to add the newest rule:  GCA members wishing to remain in good standing shall refrain from using the term "green complex."
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Alex Miller

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2016, 02:32:35 PM »
Sand Hills
Pacific Dunes
Friars Head
The Golf Club
Ballyneal
Bandon Trails
Castle Stuart...dreadful walk interuption on the back 9...fallible
Trump Aberdeen...concenrated too much on the aerial game...fallible
Kingsbarns...horrible walk on the back 9...fallible
Barnbougle Dunes
Sebonack
Dismalx2
Streamsong
Sebonack

I hate to do it, but I'd strike Dismal Red and Bandon Trails. Dismal for that whole walking thing (I have no problem with it but it falls out of infallibility) and BT for the 14th hole (which, again I think is a net positive on my favorite course on the property, but some have legit criticism for it being too difficult).

How about Kingsbarns? Haven't played it but looks lovely! Same goes for Cape Kidnappers.
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Greg Chambers

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2016, 03:22:40 PM »
Why the disdain for fish tacos?
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BHoover

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Re: The infallible moderns
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2016, 03:26:48 PM »
Quote from: Greg Chambers on October 28, 2016, 03:22:40 PM
Why the disdain for fish tacos?

Old Tom Morris didn't need fish tacos served in the grille room.
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