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Dave Doxey

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Barriers to taking up golf
« on: October 13, 2016, 04:50:04 PM »
The topic on declining golfer numbers got me thinking...

Once youth jobs as caddies ended, a significant inflow of new golfers was eliminated. Caddy jobs were an effective way to learn golf practices, etiquette, rules, culture and skills.  Caddy play-days facilitated learning to play the game in a non-threatening environment of peers.  Often the pro would give a free lesson or advice.

Nowadays, barriers to entry into the game make it hard to take up golf.  This has played a large part in reduced participation.

Consider what a person is faced with if they want to try the game.  Besides gathering the equipment (that visit to Golfsmith ended the idea of buying a new set), they must navigate the process of playing their first round. How to get a tee time (yes, Saturday morning will be good...). Showing up at the course and signing in (twice – once in the pro shop and once with the starter).  How to dress.  Walk or ride?  How the practice facilities work (free, or buy range balls?) Finding partners for the first round (Starter says that the 3-some playing the back tees needs a 4th..).

Once they actually get on the first tee, they must navigate the mysterious maze of behavior and etiquette, etc.  Where to stand.  Where to walk on the green.  When to talk or not.  Then there are the rules – a mystery to even tour pros.

Then they try to play.  Whiffing on the first tee is not cool.  Nor is hitting the ball 50 feet at a 45 degree angle.  Taking 10 shots to get to the first green, while 3 experienced players wait impatiently.  Losing at least 1 ball per hole.  Then there is the ranger, telling them to speed up or leave.  This goes on for all 18 holes.

For this experience, they paid $85.

I’ve had first hand experience trying to help some new golfers take up the game and seen the embarrassment and frustration that the faced.  All but a couple gave up after a few tries.  Many after their first on-course adventure.

The USGA and member courses should work on making it much easier and more comfortable for people to take up the game.   Set aside half days at the course for beginners only.  Perhaps a package, where clubs, balls, instruction and lunch are provided.  Instead of rangers, have  “helpers” on the course to guide and advise.  Do more to promote group and individual lessons and clinics to beginners.  Perhaps of the course served good food, drinks, and craft beer as part of a 9-hole beginners afternoon, they would attract new players.

It works for TopGolf – good food & drink, no pressure, simple to get started.

I’ve never seen advertising encouraging people to “Try Golf” from either local courses, and USGA.  (I have seen USGA posters for banned anchored putting, various rules complexities, and how to play faster – none of which are very appealing to new players…)  Courses could also do a lot more advertising to promote golf lessons.

We’ve all encountered struggling golfers (usually ahead of us on the course). How did you treat them?

Would a “beginners day” prove economically feasible for a course owner?  With a small USGA subsidy?
« Last Edit: October 13, 2016, 04:51:41 PM by Dave Doxey »

Mike_Young

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2016, 08:41:47 PM »
Why would you think the USGA would care about a beginning golfer? 
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Bill_McBride

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2016, 08:47:49 PM »
Why would you think the USGA would care about a beginning golfer?


Where else will new golfers come from?  My demographic is over the hill, around the bend.  The average age of golfers at my club is maybe 65-67. 

Mike_Young

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2016, 08:59:41 PM »
The owners of clubs care about young golfers, The USGA tries to convey they care but all they really want is power and the beginner doesn't give them that.  As a beginning golfer we just played and kept up as to not slow don others.  One has kid groups etc but individual beginners just go play.  When we had the most golfers people were not figuring how to help us learn to play....it can't be forced and I just tire of all the constant solutions and cute names for generating golfers. 
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Terry Lavin

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2016, 09:02:47 PM »
Married couples who golf should have more children.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Mike_Young

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2016, 09:08:24 PM »
Married couples who golf should have more children.

Good idea.

Hey TL, would you still play golf with me if I started my own beauty pageant? ;D ;D
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Peter Pallotta

Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2016, 10:25:48 PM »
My personal experience, for what it may be worth:

The first time I ever picked up a golf club I was 19 years old. I'd gotten a job at a golf course after my first year of university (a big step up from the factory and construction jobs of past summers). They soon had me cutting greens and setting the pins. I enjoyed that very much. Though I'd never played golf I liked watching it on television, and I had (or thought I had) a sense of what were easy/tough hole locations, so it was fun trying to mix them up over 18 holes. 

That summer I played my first round of golf (they didn't have a practice range, so I learned out on the course starting at about 5 pm.)  It was challenging and fun and frustrating all at once-- but it was so very new to me that I ended up probably playing no more than 10 rounds/half rounds that summer.  "Golf" just wasn't something that felt like "me" -- no one I knew played the game, and certainly no one in my family ever had.  So once that summer job was over, so was my golf.  Over the next 10 years, I probably played another 10 more rounds in total: basically once a summer for someone's charity event or some such similar outing. But, just like with the summer job, it felt like I somehow  understood/appreciated the game more than I realized: I'd get out there, still just learning, and would hit mostly horrible shots, and yet at some point I became convinced that I should own my own clubs instead of renting, so I went to a second hand golf shop (long gone now, of course) and bought clubs that somehow I knew were good, i.e. old Ben Hogan irons and MacGregor woods, and a plaid coloured canvas sunday bag.   

Yet golf continued at some deep level to seem very alien to me, as if people like me from my upbringing simply "didn't play golf".  That was my own problem, I know, but the golfing culture I experienced over those 10 years certainly didn't make it any easier.  I remember (or think I remember) being faced with pretentious and unfriendly people at every turn, and unwelcoming stuck up manager types, and young men my age working behind the counters dressed head to toe in Polo or Fila  with smirks on their faces and barely hidden contempt as an obvious newbie with old clubs and retro clothes came up to sign in for the day -- but most of all I remember feeling very frustrated and embarrassed at not being very good at golf, and feeling the glares of the (supposedly) better players behind me rushing me to move even faster than I was already trying to move.

Well, that was enough for me. I stored away my clubs and half consciously and half unconsciously concluded that, sure enough, golf wasn't the game for me. It was too hard, and I didn't fit it -- and for a young man in his late 20s trying to make his way in the world, the last thing I wanted was to be bad at something, and to be made to feel foolish for being bad at it, and to stick out like a sore thumb to boot! So that was it: I was over with golf.

But then 5 years passed, I was in my 30s, and some friends who had become close friends over the years mentioned that they played golf and invited me out.  And so I went: not because I felt any different about the game but because at least I'd be with good friends. Of course, living in downtown Toronto and with my friends being in the entertainment industry (and all of us single at the time), we didn't think anything of having to drive an hour just to get out of the city and onto one of the then-newly-built country clubs for a day, and actually spend the entire day there: breakfast, range, 18 holes that took 5-6 hours, late lunch and drinks, and then a drive back to someone's house to watch a game over steaks and more drinks. The whole experience (other than the expensive price tag and a brand new kind of pretention) was very enjoyable -- and that was the first time in my whole life that I felt that maybe "golf" and "me" were compatible.

Still, old habits die hard. I was now still playing maybe 8 times a summer at most, but slowly I was getting better and less self-conscious and more and more in touch with what was clearly (it now seemed to me) I game that I had always liked and appreciated. I started going to the range and started practicing more, and then -- and this was a big breakthrough for me -- I actually went out to a golf course all on my own, as a single, ready (and sort of willing) to be paired up with whoever they decided to pair me up with.  I was a little older now, and less concerned with what anyone thought/said/did, but also more conscious that I enjoyed this game very much and so was unwilling to let any of the externals keep me from it.  And going out on my own, I also started to find the little municipal courses in and around Toronto, the less expensive and, I soon found, more charming golf courses. One that will always be close to my heart was Lakeview, the Herbert Strong design from the early 1920s: low to the ground, wonderful greens, none of the glaring white sand and abundant water and banal Par 5s of the CCFAD.

And it all started coming together: getting better at the game, playing courses that for me were lovelier to look and had more humble atmospheres and that seemed to attract golfers who were my kind of golfers. I played more and more, began to consciously value and love the game and its courses, and I got better. I was about to go on a great and extended run of golf -- and then our little boy was born, and life (happily) got in the way. It was back to just a very few round a summer.   But Ben has now gotten older and I have more time, and I am now, finally, playing golf to the extent and in a way I could only have dreamed of (and barely imagine) as that 19 year old who had a sense of the game, but who could not imagine himself playing it.               

All of which is to say (and please excuse the ramble): there must be countless men and women who share not the same experience as I had but perhaps a similar one. And that experience can be summarized this way: If you haven't played golf from when you were young, with a parent or grandparent or friend, you have to really, really want (at some almost hidden level) to play it in order to get past all the "barriers" (or seeming barriers) to the game.

For the many of you here who started playing golf when you were 8 or 10 or 12, you simply can't know (given that as children we learn everything, including motor skills, so naturally) how hard a game it is learn and to play well when you don't start until your 20s and 30s; I was a 3 sport athlete in high school, and a decent one, and I have found no sport harder than golf.  And for the many of you who spent your youth on golf courses and who had parents who played and/or were members of a club, you probably can't imagine how awkward and out of place some of us feel (and, sadly, were made to feel) at a golf club. The latter aspect I think is changing, much for the better; but the game, even with all the technological "improvements" since the Hogan irons and Macgregor persimmons, is still a very hard and frustrating game to learn and, in my opinion, hard in a way that is not "off set"  by newfangled ideas like 15 inch cups or flatter greens or motorized vehicles or even tee it forward initiatives.       

Peter

(Please excuse any typos or confusing passages - I was writing quickly)
« Last Edit: October 13, 2016, 11:03:55 PM by Peter Pallotta »

Josh Stevens

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2016, 10:58:17 PM »
Access is the biggest problem.

Kids have lots to do and so finding a few hours to play is hard, and its generally on the weekend - but then how do they get onto a course on a weekend?  Every public track is full to overflowing and every private club is full of old members who don't want kids cluttering up the place.

Its an interesting irony that the most active and most accessible sub-junior program in my city, is at the most exclusive and most private club in town, simply because they just happen to have a nice little 9 hole course off to the side that throw open to local kids to be neighbourly.

More little 9 holers is the answer.

Sean_A

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2016, 07:39:33 AM »
All the barriers to taking up golf are the same as to why player numbers are dwindling. 


If I didn't have bad knee injuries at a young age preventing me from playing my first choice sports I seriously doubt I would ever have taken up golf in a serious manner.  I think coming to the game as 30+ year old would have seemed silly given all the silly nonsense, cost and time associated with golf....and I played a fair amount as a kid...so I understood the all the baggage that golf comes with.  Bottom line, I think if one doesn't grow up with golf its just a matter of luck if the game is evr taken up at later stages in life....nearly always it will be associated with friends. 


We have a pretty good little golf society in our village....can we attract younger folks...even when we collect dues to subsidize introducing people to the game....not a chance.  These 20 somethings don't want to hang out with 50+ somethings...and understandably so.  To me, other than cost, its probably the generation gap between lifetime golfers and newbies that is the biggest barrier.  If you can't recruit youngish (and for golf lets be generous and say folks under 40!) folks in packs, there is no hope.  Maybe golf is meant to be primarily for middle age/old folks...just as perception dictates.  Has there ever been a time when golf was considered primarily a young person's game except for at the elite level?  Think about it.  Everything about golf, from establishing clubs, getting behind course building, designing courses, creating tournaments, gifting prizes, percentage of players etc etc etc is a middle/old age deal.  That is what golf is.  To me, there is a load of unnecessary hand wringing over dwindling numbers.  The people that want to play golf find ways to play...its that simple. 


Ciao   
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2016, 08:07:24 AM »
The disappearance (removal) of municiple putting greens and pitch-n-putt courses over many decades has imo hindered the development of the game in the UK. Almost every local park used to have one or both and now they don't. A great shame.
Atb

Joe Sponcia

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2016, 08:33:40 AM »
Access is the biggest problem.

Kids have lots to do and so finding a few hours to play is hard, and its generally on the weekend - but then how do they get onto a course on a weekend?  Every public track is full to overflowing and every private club is full of old members who don't want kids cluttering up the place.

Its an interesting irony that the most active and most accessible sub-junior program in my city, is at the most exclusive and most private club in town, simply because they just happen to have a nice little 9 hole course off to the side that throw open to local kids to be neighbourly.

More little 9 holers is the answer.




I'm confused, I thought the sky was falling?  Is participation down and we need more people (seems to be the latest battle cry) or do we have too many jamming up over-built public courses and not enough on the snobatoriums we want access to but can't afford?
Joe


"If the hole is well designed, a fairway can't be too wide".

- Mike Nuzzo

Joe Sponcia

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2016, 09:06:26 AM »
     Dave Doxley:

Nowadays, barriers to entry into the game make it hard to take up golf.  This has played a large part in reduced participation”.

We have more courses and golfnow has made it cheaper than ever?  I’m confused about this barrier?

“Consider what a person is faced with if they want to try the game.  Besides gathering the equipment (that visit to Golfsmith ended the idea of buying a new set), they must navigate the process of playing their first round. How to get a tee time (yes, Saturday morning will be good...). Showing up at the course and signing in (twice – once in the pro shop and once with the starter).  How to dress.  Walk or ride?  How the practice facilities work (free, or buy range balls?) Finding partners for the first round (Starter says that the 3-some playing the back tees needs a 4th..).

•   My first set was used knock-offs, my second set was new from K-mart (dunlop), my third set was a new set of knock-offs, my fourth set - two year old Titleist DCI’s.  If eBay would have been around in 1992 when I took up the game, I could have gotten a much better set for less money.  Ditto for Craigs list. 
•   Getting a tee time?  Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?  What you are saying is…we are living it, I guess?  How do people reserve a lane at the bowling alley?  How do they make doctor appointments?  How do they reserve a condo on VRBO? 
•   Showing up/signing in?  Most munis where these beginners should start like the rest of us don’t have starters?  They have lines you get behind on Saturday and Sunday morning.  I’ve done it.  Most people can’t break 105. 
•   How to dress?  Most muni’s will allow jorts or cargos.  Collared shirts, completely optional.
•   Walk/ride?  This one is a huge barrier/challenge.
•   Practice facilities - another stumper.

“Once they actually get on the first tee, they must navigate the mysterious maze of behavior and etiquette, etc.  Where to stand.  Where to walk on the green.  When to talk or not.  Then there are the rules – a mystery to even tour pros”.

Do these people ‘new’ people not watch a round on TV?  Buy a book?  Have google?

“Then they try to play.  Whiffing on the first tee is not cool.  Nor is hitting the ball 50 feet at a 45 degree angle.  Taking 10 shots to get to the first green, while 3 experienced players wait impatiently.  Losing at least 1 ball per hole.  Then there is the ranger, telling them to speed up or leave.  This goes on for all 18 holes”.

They should start on the driving range like the rest of us.  Buy a cheap lesson from an assistant somewhere, watch video lessons on youtube (which I would have killed for) which are free by the way.

For this experience, they paid $85.

Muni’s are $85 where you live? 

The USGA and member courses should work on making it much easier and more comfortable for people to take up the game.   Set aside half days at the course for beginners only.  Perhaps a package, where clubs, balls, instruction and lunch are provided.  Instead of rangers, have  “helpers” on the course to guide and advise.  Do more to promote group and individual lessons and clinics to beginners.  Perhaps of the course served good food, drinks, and craft beer as part of a 9-hole beginners afternoon, they would attract new players.

Should?  It sounds like after their parents fly away in a helicopter, they don’t have a clue how to navigate life.  Please tell me that this thinking is isolated? 

1.      The USGA has promoted learning the game through the first tee.  Anyone at any age can play these courses for cheap. 
2.      When people go to buy cars, they usually shop around.  Why can’t they do this with instructors?  Call multiple places, get an inexpensive PRO, go to the range and flail away.
3.      Rangers/helpers - this is how we get slow play.  I didn’t set foot on a course until I had two months of range time AND I waited until the late afternoon at a muni to play so as not to hold up others.  Now granted, this was before the internet came out and how I figured this out was a stroke of luck, but I don’t understand why folks can’t do the same?
4.      A grass-fed burger ($12), hummus, and a $5 angry bastard ale + $40-60 lesson = explosive growth.

Here’s what I would do if I was raised by helicopter parents:

1.      Go to the internet and read about the game.
2.      Watch a few rounds on TV.
3.      Go to eBay, a pawn shop, or crags list - buy clubs.
4.      Find a range.  Buy range balls.  Do this for a month.
5.      Buy a package of lessons from a young pro. 
6.      Eat burgers on the way to lessons, drink beer afterward at home.   
7.      Play golf in the evenings when no one is on the course or other beginners are playing, strike up a conversation, ask them to be friends on Facebook.

 
« Last Edit: October 14, 2016, 09:22:52 AM by Joe Sponcia »
Joe


"If the hole is well designed, a fairway can't be too wide".

- Mike Nuzzo

BHoover

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2016, 09:34:48 AM »
I got started in part because I had 5-6 good friends who also were interested in golf. We grew up playing together. The importance of that is difficult to overstate.

Another reason for the promotion of Mr. Kavanaugh's beloved BuddyUp! movement.

Dave McCollum

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2016, 09:49:55 AM »
My first thought and spoken of here is "what about friends?"  How do you learn duck hunting or many other things without friends to show you how and share the experience?  Your friends may laugh at you but won't care that you suck.  Initially, I didn't ever go to a golf course without being encouraged by friends or family.  That could be characterized as the annual round of golf for about 25 as an adult. 

Starting a career and having a family were much higher priorities, as I imagine it is for a great many young adults now.  My kids were in or graduating fro high school before I learned the game by actually practicing.  For six years I managed a golf course and didn't play.  Too busy.  Now my kids are too busy.  When they do play, it is because of family and friends.   

 

jeffwarne

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2016, 09:50:18 AM »
The main barrier to people taking up golf is that the courses are too crowded......


Chew on that for awhile.




Golf experienced an artificial and impossibly unsustainable boost in participation in the late 90's/early 2000's when
1.golf was "cool"
2, many people thought their paper stock and RE gans meant they would never have to work again
3. Many, many mediocre courses were built centered around selling RE-not as stand alone businesses


Golf is still working off the excesses
Sadly, we've lost some great old courses due to so many crappy RE courses hanging on and giving golf away and making golf a price based commodity.
While cheap golf (Golf NOW) may seem a good thing, jumping from course to course with no connection to a course or club makes it very hard to develop sustainable golf relationships-essential to continuing to play.

Golf's not for everyone.
For a brief period many thought it was.


Rather than appealing to the masses and dumbing the game down to attract more, we should focus on serving actual golfers, and continue to expose those MOST likely to stick with it and allow the game to grow naturally and organically at a sustainable pace.


Occasionally a few outside the box ideas are great as well, such as team golf, which may appeal to those a bit more on the social side.
Getting golf into schools as PE is also useful as Golf can have many use benefits later in life and is quite a bit easier with early exposure.Certainly a better use of time and investment in oneself than a few other sports regularly promoted in physical education.


Losing a few knuckleheads is also a good thing
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

BHoover

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2016, 09:58:48 AM »
My first thought and spoken of here is "what about friends?"  How do you learn duck hunting or many other things without friends to show you how and share the experience?  Your friends may laugh at you but won't care that you suck.  Initially, I didn't ever go to a golf course without being encouraged by friends or family.  That could be characterized as the annual round of golf for about 25 as an adult. 

Starting a career and having a family were much higher priorities, as I imagine it is for a great many young adults now.  My kids were in or graduating fro high school before I learned the game by actually practicing.  For six years I managed a golf course and didn't play.  Too busy.  Now my kids are too busy.  When they do play, it is because of family and friends.   


You are right about friends being the key. I would like to try pheasant hunting, but I don't have friends to take me or teach me. The thought of making a fool of myself, or shooting someone (like Dick Chaney) is a limiting factor. Of course, my wife also won't allow a shotgun in the house, but that's another issue.

Dave McCollum

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2016, 10:46:12 AM »
Brian,

For pheasant hunting you need more than friends who want to hunt.  You need a friend with a dog.  Or a guide with a dog.  It can be done without, but not only is much more efficient, adds greatly to the experience watching a skilled dog do its thing.  But I digress.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2016, 11:11:36 AM »
My first thought and spoken of here is "what about friends?"  How do you learn duck hunting or many other things without friends to show you how and share the experience?  Your friends may laugh at you but won't care that you suck.  Initially, I didn't ever go to a golf course without being encouraged by friends or family.  That could be characterized as the annual round of golf for about 25 as an adult. 

Starting a career and having a family were much higher priorities, as I imagine it is for a great many young adults now.  My kids were in or graduating fro high school before I learned the game by actually practicing.  For six years I managed a golf course and didn't play.  Too busy.  Now my kids are too busy.  When they do play, it is because of family and friends.   



This.  Peter's story is, as always, uniquely Peter, but I don't imagine that many people decide to take up golf on their own.  Nearly everyone gets out on the course for the first time either with family, or with friends, and those experiences determine whether they get interested enough to try and play on their own.  And they probably go to a driving range a couple of times first, with the same people.


My wife so far has shown no inclination to play on her own, but the one format she enjoys playing with me is alternate-shot.  That way, if she hits a bad one, it's my problem; and there is never the frustration of whiffing or duffing two or three shots in a row and not getting anywhere.  [Well, hopefully not, anyway  :) ]  That seems like the best way to get a newcomer out there and let them have a bit of fun.


I realize I should do more to get friends to go and try the game.  We all should.

Mike Wagner

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2016, 11:21:57 AM »
     Dave Doxley:

Nowadays, barriers to entry into the game make it hard to take up golf.  This has played a large part in reduced participation”.

We have more courses and golfnow has made it cheaper than ever?  I’m confused about this barrier?

“Consider what a person is faced with if they want to try the game.  Besides gathering the equipment (that visit to Golfsmith ended the idea of buying a new set), they must navigate the process of playing their first round. How to get a tee time (yes, Saturday morning will be good...). Showing up at the course and signing in (twice – once in the pro shop and once with the starter).  How to dress.  Walk or ride?  How the practice facilities work (free, or buy range balls?) Finding partners for the first round (Starter says that the 3-some playing the back tees needs a 4th..).

•   My first set was used knock-offs, my second set was new from K-mart (dunlop), my third set was a new set of knock-offs, my fourth set - two year old Titleist DCI’s.  If eBay would have been around in 1992 when I took up the game, I could have gotten a much better set for less money.  Ditto for Craigs list. 

•   Getting a tee time?  Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?  What you are saying is…we are living it, I guess?  How do people reserve a lane at the bowling alley?  How do they make doctor appointments?  How do they reserve a condo on VRBO? 
•   Showing up/signing in?  Most munis where these beginners should start like the rest of us don’t have starters?  They have lines you get behind on Saturday and Sunday morning.  I’ve done it.  Most people can’t break 105. 
•   How to dress?  Most muni’s will allow jorts or cargos.  Collared shirts, completely optional.
•   Walk/ride?  This one is a huge barrier/challenge.
•   Practice facilities - another stumper.

“Once they actually get on the first tee, they must navigate the mysterious maze of behavior and etiquette, etc.  Where to stand.  Where to walk on the green.  When to talk or not.  Then there are the rules – a mystery to even tour pros”.

Do these people ‘new’ people not watch a round on TV?  Buy a book?  Have google?

“Then they try to play.  Whiffing on the first tee is not cool.  Nor is hitting the ball 50 feet at a 45 degree angle.  Taking 10 shots to get to the first green, while 3 experienced players wait impatiently.  Losing at least 1 ball per hole.  Then there is the ranger, telling them to speed up or leave.  This goes on for all 18 holes”.

They should start on the driving range like the rest of us.  Buy a cheap lesson from an assistant somewhere, watch video lessons on youtube (which I would have killed for) which are free by the way.

For this experience, they paid $85.

Muni’s are $85 where you live? 

The USGA and member courses should work on making it much easier and more comfortable for people to take up the game.   Set aside half days at the course for beginners only.  Perhaps a package, where clubs, balls, instruction and lunch are provided.  Instead of rangers, have  “helpers” on the course to guide and advise.  Do more to promote group and individual lessons and clinics to beginners.  Perhaps of the course served good food, drinks, and craft beer as part of a 9-hole beginners afternoon, they would attract new players.

Should?  It sounds like after their parents fly away in a helicopter, they don’t have a clue how to navigate life.  Please tell me that this thinking is isolated? 

1.      The USGA has promoted learning the game through the first tee.  Anyone at any age can play these courses for cheap. 
2.      When people go to buy cars, they usually shop around.  Why can’t they do this with instructors?  Call multiple places, get an inexpensive PRO, go to the range and flail away.
3.      Rangers/helpers - this is how we get slow play.  I didn’t set foot on a course until I had two months of range time AND I waited until the late afternoon at a muni to play so as not to hold up others.  Now granted, this was before the internet came out and how I figured this out was a stroke of luck, but I don’t understand why folks can’t do the same?
4.      A grass-fed burger ($12), hummus, and a $5 angry bastard ale + $40-60 lesson = explosive growth.

Here’s what I would do if I was raised by helicopter parents:

1.      Go to the internet and read about the game.
2.      Watch a few rounds on TV.
3.      Go to eBay, a pawn shop, or crags list - buy clubs.
4.      Find a range.  Buy range balls.  Do this for a month.
5.      Buy a package of lessons from a young pro. 
6.      Eat burgers on the way to lessons, drink beer afterward at home.   
7.      Play golf in the evenings when no one is on the course or other beginners are playing, strike up a conversation, ask them to be friends on Facebook.

 


Well done, Joe - my thoughts precisely.


Folks keep using the same buzzwords.  It's never been easier or cheaper to get into golf ... and there are more juniors than ever playing.


JLahrman

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2016, 01:09:27 PM »
Married couples who golf should have more children.

My wife and I currently have a 5-year-old daughter, a soon-to-be-3-year-old son, and a 5-month-old son.

I like to play golf though I barely get to the course right now thanks to parental duties. My wife is a golfer, though lapsed. She played on her high school team, and we played sometimes while we were dating. But she's probably only played two or three times since our first child was born.

Our two older kids are starting to get interested in various activities now. Golf isn't one of them, which is probably highly correlated to the fact that my wife and I barely play. And I have to say that while I hope to start getting back on the course more as the kids get older, and I hope that they'll get interested in coming along and starting to play themselves, I won't be disappointed if they don't. And I won't really be pushing golf at all. We'll see what happens.

Dave Doxey

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2016, 06:14:57 PM »
 Joe & Mike,

 
I don’t want to start a debate, but your post illustrates precisely the attitudes that new golfers face when trying out the game.

 
Becoming familiar with golf behavior, etiquette and rules requires more that “watching a round on TV", or from Google.

 
The poor first experiences that I referenced were with people in their 30’s – their “helicopter parents” were not around to help them...  They gave the game a fair try, never felt welcomed, and only 1 out of 5 still plays occasionally.

 
In the DC area, my local public course is indeed $85 – on weekdays.  $105 on weekends.

 
I do believe that those who care about adding new golfers (course operators?) need to think creatively to make entry into the game easier.

 
Sorry if my post offended you.  It was just a suggestion.  I’ll refrain from further discussion.  I seldom post here.

Mike Wagner

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2016, 07:03:03 PM »
Joe & Mike,

 
I don’t want to start a debate, but your post illustrates precisely the attitudes that new golfers face when trying out the game.

 
Becoming familiar with golf behavior, etiquette and rules requires more that “watching a round on TV", or from Google.

 
The poor first experiences that I referenced were with people in their 30’s – their “helicopter parents” were not around to help them...  They gave the game a fair try, never felt welcomed, and only 1 out of 5 still plays occasionally.

 
In the DC area, my local public course is indeed $85 – on weekdays.  $105 on weekends.

 
I do believe that those who care about adding new golfers (course operators?) need to think creatively to make entry into the game easier.

 
Sorry if my post offended you.  It was just a suggestion.  I’ll refrain from further discussion.  I seldom post here.


Dave,


It would take a lot more than an intelligent post about your thoughts to offend me :)  We just disagree, that's all.


One point I'll make on your last post.  Golf or any other activity will NEVER be accommodating to everyone.  It's not FOR everyone.  Neither is soccer ... or baseball ... or whatever it is.  In fact, I'll go as far as to say the whole rhetoric of golf not being "inviting" couldn't be further from the truth.  Most people around the game are of pretty solid character and understanding that they were once new as well.  Does everyone act that way?  Of course not, but I'm not only not falling for that rhetoric, I'm calling complete bullshit on it.  If people don't feel welcome, well, maybe they did have a bad experience with the wrong person.  More likely than not though, I think it may be something along the lines of a pansy-ass millennial getting their feelings hurt that someone asked them to turn their hat around.




Steve Lang

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2016, 09:41:11 PM »
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Barrier 1, Not having a proper learning environment..
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2016, 02:55:40 AM »
Golf needs to sell itself to its natural demographic, which as Sean points out above is MIDDLE AGED MEN!


My son in law is 25, has a demanding job, a three-year old son and another on the way, and my daughter to answer to. He also loves golf.


I treated him this year to membership at Reddish Vale under a scheme to encourage new young members. He's played maybe 4 times - all of them with me and at my behest.


THIS is the barrier to taking up golf...


...Life!


Very few young guys with family responsibilities can play golf regularly. We might as well accept that and concentrate on attracting those who can devote the time and money to golf that it requires.


I played a little golf in my early teens with my two grandfathers, both of whom only took up the game upon retirement. To me it has always been a game for young kids and old men. I subsequently didn't pick up a golf club again in 35 years.


On reaching 50 years old I decided that my time had come and started playing again. Golf is the perfect hobby to take up in middle age; it is one of the very few things in life that one can actually get better at at such an age!


The barriers to taking up golf at 25 (which are many and largely insurmountable) do not exist for most at 45 or 55.




For the correct demographic, there ARE no barriers to taking up golf!



Josh Stevens

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Re: Barriers to taking up golf
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2016, 03:58:30 AM »
But little courses for kids are completely uneconomic?

No public facility would build one as kids don't pay taxes or green fees, don't drink beer and don't vote.
Most private clubs don't have the space