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Mike Bodo

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2017, 03:19:20 PM »


3.  Drawing up the grading plan or directing the shapers to build the features in 3-D


#3 is kind of the inflection point to me.  Real design has to be done in three dimensions.  If you rely on somebody else to do #3, they are going to have as big an impact on the "design" as you did, because the devil is in the details, and everything can be changed in the field.
Thanks for detailed and multi-faceted response. I think Mike Young's response sums it up best: You're an architect or designer if someone is willing to pay you. LOL!  ;D  That said, are 3-D grading plans primarily created using computer software these days or are a lot of them still done by putting pen or pencil to paper, similar to the classic era architects?
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2017, 11:00:08 PM »
Most architects who draw plans anymore, draw them in CAD.


However neither I, nor Bill Coore, nor Gil Hanse or Mike DeVries, ever builds a green or a bunker based on a plan.  We just get out in the field and talk to the guys who will shape them to try to get something that fits.


I used to draw greens plans on occasion, but I decided when I did so that they became even more complicated than when I just walked through them with the guy who would shape them.  I don't think I have drawn a sketch for a green since I drew one for #9 green at Streamsong in 2010 ... and you would not believe how much trouble I had getting the guy who was shaping that green to actually follow my instructions!

George Pazin

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2017, 01:04:46 PM »
I'd be curious to hear what advice our posting professionals (those in the biz) would give to Mr. Blair, beyond "Hire a professional".


Would you tell him to focus on green contours? Bunker placement? Agronomy? Maintenance? Routing?


I tend to relate threads like these back to my (sad little) t shirt printing business. [EDIT: I don't do this to draw attention to it. I do it because it's one of the few areas I consider myself far more knowledgeable than most. Most people are more than willing to give their opinions on anything and everything, but I tend to defer to those who have lived it, as opposed to those who merely think they know everything. Hubris is the tragic flaw of virtually every smart and successful person I've ever met, even if it does not usually bring them down. :)]


 I get a handful of people every year who think they have the next great t shirt idea that is going to sell millions. Some of them are awful, and some are actually pretty clever.

The difference is, the guy who sells millions isn't focused on the design per se. He's focused on selling it and distributing it.


I have yet to meet that person. A few have come kinda close (I think), but they tend to get in their own way. I wonder how much Fownes and Crump got in their own way; sure doesn't seem like much. Maybe they had "professionals" who helped them out, or maybe they figured it out themselves. Either way, I applaud their efforts.


Thanks for starting the thread and the heads up, Buck!
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Adam Warren

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2017, 01:34:12 PM »
Going out on a limb here and saying that most commenting did not get to listen to the podcast itself.  It's short, and you can put it on 1.5 speed and make it even shorter, so I encourage listening.  Part of the reason I say this is Zac was asked "what if it sucks?"  He said they would go back and fix it.  Part of the beauty of it kind of being your course is you can tinker forever as you figure things out.  I think someone mentioned that he might give up, but I don't think that sounds like the type of person he is.

He makes mentions of the guys that did it well the first time as an argument for him being able to do it himself.

This is my assumption in this statement:  If he is the fan of architecture he says he is, and is going so far as building his own course, I'm sure he doesnt think he is just going to put it down on paper and shape the course himself.  It didn't sound like he was going to be out moving dirt himself.  I'm sure he has plans to go out and get a decent shaper, probably either knows CAD or knows someone that knows it.

I'm not saying Blair knows exactly what he's doing, but I think not enough are giving him any credit for potentially doing the leg work to figure out what he has to do to make it at least somewhat successful.  Lots in here just assume he put the design down on paper and is pulling some random dude off a bulldozer and starting the project.  I'd bet he has someone advising him in some way.

Andy Johnson

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2017, 03:02:24 PM »
I talk with Zac pretty regularly and his father Jimmy Blair has been building courses in Utah for years. While they haven't been anything grand there is a basis for understanding this stuff. A couple unique things that Zac has that I think make it a smart bet the site turns out good are passion and work ethic. Obviously, he won't have the years of experience of Tom or other brilliant GCA's but I guarantee he will care more about the success and quality of work than anyone he could ever hire.

Declan Kavanagh

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2017, 12:29:50 AM »
I hope he succeeds.  No offense to Tom Doak or any of the other pros out there but I find it refreshing that Zac is going to give it a run.  Most PGA players turned architects seem to do it because their playing careers is winding up and it is a good way to make money and start their enterprise.  With that being said one of my favorite courses is a Weiskopf and I have had little exposure to Nicklaus, C&C and Palmer. 


At least Zac is interested in the architecture part of the game and not fixed on being a PGA Tour robot like most guys out there.  Will be exciting to watch. 


He also said he is open to the idea of opening the course to the public one day a week or so which is something that I think needs to change in general in the U.S..  I just learned today that you can play New South Wales during the week and almost every course in GB&I offers some days to the public.  Even if Zac does not do that I think it is something private courses need to take a hard look at in order to grow the game in a time when that is a real problem.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2017, 06:57:15 PM »
No offense to Tom Doak or any of the other pros out there but I find it refreshing that Zac is going to give it a run. 


I don't know why anyone thinks I would be offended ... there are plenty of design jobs that I don't get.


My input on this thread has been to suggest that he find some talented help to get the course BUILT and GROWN IN.  Anybody can design a course!  [Though some prove to be better at it than others.]  If his father has previous golf course construction experience, that will be a huge help, and they'll also know what help they need.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2017, 08:52:15 PM »
I haven't seen a bubble boy like this since the moops conquered Rome. Can anyone explain what Zac's status is on tour?

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2017, 11:12:36 PM »
John,


I assume it's 126-150 category and that's 12-15 starts I think? Given he's 126 he will get more starts than anyone else amongst those 25 players.
Plus any invites he might get.

Michael Wolf

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2017, 09:06:06 AM »
Michael is correct. Zach will be 126-150 category this year, which is after the top125, obviously, and after the 50 combined spots from Web regular season and Web Finals. So 10-15 starts is a reasonable assumption - opposite field events plus weeks like Memphis, Reno etc. Very tough spot to be in because you are conflicted between playing every week on the Web to try and secure a card for 2018-19 vs knowing that one great week on Tour can change everything.








Kalen Braley

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2017, 02:29:00 PM »
Any more specifics on where the targeted spot is?  I live in Salt Lake City and 20 miles south of Provo is only an hours drive from here.  Its fall, the leaves are turning, my wife will be out of town and i'm game for a scenic drive and possibly even take a few snaps of the intended crime scene...

Edit:  The link in post 9 is saying it'll be near St. George...different animal all together.  But there is some spectacular terrain and scenery down that way, maybe he found a good spot to build another Wolf Creek!  ;D

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Stephen Davis

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2017, 01:36:15 PM »
Any more specifics on where the targeted spot is?  I live in Salt Lake City and 20 miles south of Provo is only an hours drive from here.  Its fall, the leaves are turning, my wife will be out of town and i'm game for a scenic drive and possibly even take a few snaps of the intended crime scene...

Edit:  The link in post 9 is saying it'll be near St. George...different animal all together.  But there is some spectacular terrain and scenery down that way, maybe he found a good spot to build another Wolf Creek!  ;D


Kalen,


He has confirmed it is not going to be in St. George. The most likely spot is going to be in your backyard, as I have heard him say one of the spots they are looking at is just north of Salt Lake City. The reality is I don't think even he knows where it is going to be. They have many irons in the fire and only time will tell which one proves to be fruitful. I would recommend taking a drive down the route you mentioned and go drive through either Springville or Payson canyon. They are beautiful this time of year!

Kalen Braley

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
Any more specifics on where the targeted spot is?  I live in Salt Lake City and 20 miles south of Provo is only an hours drive from here.  Its fall, the leaves are turning, my wife will be out of town and i'm game for a scenic drive and possibly even take a few snaps of the intended crime scene...

Edit:  The link in post 9 is saying it'll be near St. George...different animal all together.  But there is some spectacular terrain and scenery down that way, maybe he found a good spot to build another Wolf Creek!  ;D


Kalen,


He has confirmed it is not going to be in St. George. The most likely spot is going to be in your backyard, as I have heard him say one of the spots they are looking at is just north of Salt Lake City. The reality is I don't think even he knows where it is going to be. They have many irons in the fire and only time will tell which one proves to be fruitful. I would recommend taking a drive down the route you mentioned and go drive through either Springville or Payson canyon. They are beautiful this time of year!


I've been thru Springville canyon a few times and played the one course already there, Hobble Creek.  Its a fun little course squeezed in on the canyon floor near the mouth to the west.  But that terrain is pretty ill suited overall for a course unless you're going to move an insane amount of dirt.  The mountains in general in northern Utah are abruptly steep....unlike other places where its a gentle transition from the valley floor.


I haven't been up Payson canyon yet, so maybe I'll go give it a look, especially if the Nebo loop road is still open.  i don't think its BLM land up that way, unlike most of the other mountain areas, so maybe something could be purchased and developed.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2017, 01:54:25 PM »
P.S.  There is nowhere to go just north of salt lake city as its all public land and very mountainous.  I suppose he could go east of Farmington on the other side of the mountains near Morgan or Peterson.  Its relatively remote over there, and only about an hour from downtown SLC and the airport.




John Kavanaugh

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2019, 08:43:06 AM »
Congrats to Zac for qualifying for the US Open!!! The other two guys I follow on tour didn't make it. You got my full root behind you baby!!!


https://www.usopen.com/qualifying/sectional/springfield-ohio.html#!&tab=results

JESII

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2019, 10:20:31 AM »
I'd imagine that's comforting...

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2019, 10:28:05 AM »
Zac has a great shot at securing his Tour card this weekend. Having one of our own playing at the highest level is great for architecture. Please throw whatever positive energy towards Zac that you can muster. You got this buddy!!!

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2019, 01:27:59 PM »
Zac has a great shot at securing his Tour card this weekend. Having one of our own playing at the highest level is great for architecture. Please throw whatever positive energy towards Zac that you can muster. You got this buddy!!!

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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2019, 09:01:48 PM »
Wow. Congrats Zac!!! This is a great day for everyone who loves the game of golf. He's back baby!!!

Amol Yajnik

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2019, 09:02:02 PM »
Congrats to Zac for winning the Ellie Mae Classic and securing his 2019-2020 PGA Tour card.

Ira Fishman

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2019, 10:38:43 PM »
+1. Damn difficult in any profession to reach the elite level even once let alone twice.


Ira

jeffwarne

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2019, 11:55:11 PM »
Congrats to Zac for winning the Ellie Mae Classic and securing his 2019-2020 PGA Tour card.


Pretty impressive stuff.
It wasn't that long ago that he announced he was focusing mainly on playing again.
Congrats!
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Tim Martin

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2019, 07:40:42 AM »
Does the win necessitate a new Buck Club Merch Drop?

PCCraig

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2019, 09:40:09 AM »
Good for Zac. Fun to see him climb back to the PGA Tour.
H.P.S.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Zac Blair PGA tour player and golf architecture fan
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2019, 11:31:51 AM »
A hearty congrats to Zac.  Great finish and glad to see him get back on the big tour.  Best of luck next year and perhaps some progress on TBC!!

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