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Carl Johnson

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Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« on: October 02, 2016, 03:43:41 PM »
I'm not keeping track of "medal" scores, but not very interesting golf?  ;D
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2016, 03:54:00 PM »
Roll back the ball and slow down the greens. This has been horrible for golf in that everyone stayed home and watched.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2016, 04:17:41 PM »
Are you kidding? I don't particulary like the course but watching all the putts made is as much fun as I've seen in a long time. The quality of play under that intense pressure is just awesome.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2016, 04:22:40 PM »
I'd rather watch hops grow on a Doak NLE.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2016, 04:39:44 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Williamsen on October 02, 2016, 04:17:41 PM
Are you kidding? I don't particulary like the course but watching all the putts made is as much fun as I've seen in a long time. The quality of play under that intense pressure is just awesome.


My problem is all you are seeing is the putting. The course is playing ridiculously easy.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2016, 04:54:49 PM »
Zzzzzzzzzz
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Phil McDade

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2016, 04:57:46 PM »
Mickelson just shot a 63 and didn't win his match. So I guess par is a bit meaningless today.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2016, 05:00:58 PM »
It is a damned hard golf course, generally.


It is a windy area, generally. There is not a breath of wind today. Blame Ma Nature.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 05:08:14 PM »
There is no blame to go around. The OP was kidding. Westwood bogeying the last for the clinch will be a Marie Osmond moment. Bye, bye body fat.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 05:23:07 PM »
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 05:24:19 PM »
OP is originating poster. The guy who started the thread. Carl Johnson.


Congrats, your part of the world looked great this week.
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Carl Rogers

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 05:25:26 PM »
my objection is the telecast which seems to be about everything but the golf.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 05:31:44 PM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on October 02, 2016, 05:24:19 PM
OP is originating poster. The guy who started the thread. Carl Johnson.


Congrats, your part of the world looked great this week.


Got it. Thanks.


In September and October, my part of the world *is* a great part of the world.


We are all happy that our incessant rainfall took a break.
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Matthew Rose

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2016, 07:07:56 PM »
Justin Rose just called it a "pro-am" setup.


Salty.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2016, 07:15:52 PM »
Does someone want to defend why Hazeltime's amoebas were only raked at the bottom, by machine?
Sandbelt meets the Jones?
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noonan

Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2016, 07:17:32 PM »
Courses have to be tricked up to defend par. This was refreshing.

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Dave August

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2016, 07:39:51 PM »
Quote from: jeffwarne on October 02, 2016, 07:15:52 PM
Does someone want to defend why Hazeltime's amoebas were only raked at the bottom, by machine?
Sandbelt meets the Jones?
The tops of the bunkers were swept I believe, to try to decrease the plugged lies in the bunker slopes.
I don't know if it was or was not a good idea, but it looked nice.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2016, 08:18:44 PM »
Quote from: Dave August on October 02, 2016, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: jeffwarne on October 02, 2016, 07:15:52 PM
Does someone want to defend why Hazeltime's amoebas were only raked at the bottom, by machine?
Sandbelt meets the Jones?
The tops of the bunkers were swept I believe, to try to decrease the plugged lies in the bunker slopes.
I don't know if it was or was not a good idea, but it looked nice.


Did anyone ever fail to get up and down from a bunker during the event?
the only poor shot I saw was an iron hit solidly over a green from 155 on saturday by Ryan Moore
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David_Tepper

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2016, 08:23:36 PM »
"the only poor shot I saw was an iron hit solidly over a green from 155 on Saturday by Ryan Moore"

Jeff W. -

You must have missed Brooks Koepka's very solid shank on Saturday. ;)

There were plenty of balls that got wet on #16 over the 3 days (and a few on #17 too).

DT
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2016, 08:39:27 PM »
Quote from: jeffwarne on October 02, 2016, 07:15:52 PM
Does someone want to defend why Hazeltime's amoebas were only raked at the bottom, by machine?
Sandbelt meets the Jones?

Bunker floors were handbrake with a double leaf rake. Sides were Brooke's and also smooth the the back of an accuform take.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2016, 09:11:25 PM »
The set up was easy peasy no butt cheek squeezy. Low golf IQ TV. I still liked it, if only to see Rory, B cups and all, with a brief moment with his pie hole shut after he got Reeded when we needed it.

All kidding aside, it was a fun tv event on a slog of a golf course played by two teams with maybe five tv stars. Pieters is a promising lad. Stenson is a stud. Reed is built for this chest thumping bleacher bullshit, and Ryan Moore might need anti depressants.  They should talk to Trump about reality pitch and putt. In prime time with Trump strumpets?  Even if you lose you won't owe taxes.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2016, 09:16:47 PM »
For heavens sake, since when did par matter in match play?


GMAB!!
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2016, 09:20:12 PM »
Justin Rose is among the Jaka support crew:  ".."I thought it was very much a pro-am feel in terms of the pin placements," he said. "They were all middle of the green. I don't quite understand that, to be honest with you ... We want to showcase our skills. We want to be tested."Rose added that he felt the 17th hole, which he and Rickie Fowler both parred, was "an absolute joke."

"I just felt coming down the stretch, it was a little soft," he said"


http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/ryder-cup-2016-justin-rose-criticizes-set-hazeltine
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2016, 09:24:50 PM »
Sounds a bit like...


P.S...if it was so easy, why did his "skilled" teammates get blasted??


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Mike Schott

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Re: Hazeltine -- my sense is that the set up isn't defending par well
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2016, 09:31:45 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on October 02, 2016, 09:16:47 PM
For heavens sake, since when did par matter in match play?


GMAB!!


Thank you Kalen! 100% correct.
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