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Dan Moore

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Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« on: September 30, 2016, 04:10:28 PM »
Is it just me or does the coverage feel very disjointed.  With only 4 matches it seems like there should be coverage and set up of every shot.  Early coverage did not do that as there were many missed drives and approach shots. Now they are continuing coverage in a split screen during commercial breaks but with no commentary. Key putts and shots are being shown side by side with a commercial.  Very hard to follow who is doing what on what hole. And no replays once they return to full screen coverage. This is making the broadcast feel really awkward. Thoughts? 
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Carl Johnson

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2016, 04:30:50 PM »
Agreed 100% based on what I've seen the first day through 4:30 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time.  Weak so far, but maybe they'll figure it out and get a little better.

Dan Moore

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 05:33:45 PM »
Case in point Michelson and Fowler 1 down at 16. Mickelson flairs one way left, left of the gallery. Next thing you see if Phil hitting a wedge to the green. No recovery shot from Fowler, no drive or 2nd shot from the Europeans. No replay of Fowlers shot. Completely missed one of the key moments of the morning matches. And Phils wedge was shown entirely in the small box next to a commercial.  I'm really surprised because NBC team usually does an amazing job of telling the story and piecing together and setting he stage of all the various elements of a multi match setting.
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John Connolly

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 07:41:07 PM »
It will only get worse. Wait 'til Sunday - everyone's tee ball on 1 then 6 hours of putting.
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Dave Doxey

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 11:20:23 AM »

One word - commercials.


Ryder Cup should follow the lead of the Masters and get a couple of big sponsors willing to show a few quality commercials, rather than repeating the same poorly produced commercials over and over.  I'd argue that long commercial-free coverage segments coupled with high quality advertising once or twice per hour is more effective for advertisers.  The Masters is a joy to watch - and I remember the sponsors! (ATT, IBM, Mercedes, end even Exxon-Mobil from years ago)


Less time during play for commercials = better and more comprehensive coverage. And less wear on my DVR skip button.


The attempt at small, silent, play windows during commercials  is to combat DVR commercial skippers (like me) and will prove ineffective.

BHoover

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 11:50:14 AM »
The coverage on NBC has been superb...if you like watching commercials and non-golf essays/interviews.

Terry Lavin

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 12:08:44 PM »
It's a three day putting contest with over amped players and fans. But it's raining all day here in Chicago so I'm couch-bound and glued to the tube.
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Tim_Cronin

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 04:03:23 PM »
I sat in the Golf Channel truck for a while during Solheim Cup singles a few years ago. There had just been a shift change of directors, and I asked how they picked which match to show, given there are 12 on Sunday and all are important.


The answer: They picked four to concentrate on at the start and then picked up highlights from the others. There was no way to show every shot, because you would get so far behind – much TV golf is on delay anyway.


The same applies to 2 vs. 2 matches. Eventually, you have to choose what to show, not just show everything. Directors are editors as much as they are shot selectors.


The side-by-side works in auto racing, because the cars go round-and-round, but doesn't work in golf, in part because you don't see the ball well. Lack of replays of key moments also isn't there, but this is only the second time NBC has tried it.


The interviews (PGA president or whomever) don't last long, but it's amazing to see golf writers on Twitter get all bent out of shape about them. Maybe they should be on the course with the little radio you get at the Ryder Cup, and hoof it while listening to BBC.
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E P Purmort

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 12:03:45 AM »
Just be thankful CBS isn't on the coverage.


Regarding the split screen commercial + live feed, I can't discern whether this is the broadcaster being generous and giving the viewer a taste of the action while advertising or this is the broadcaster figuring out a way to squeeze even more ads into the coverage.

Jim Lipstate

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 06:35:04 PM »
The incessant commercials destroyed the dynamic tension of todays spectacular play. For example, Rory is one down and needs to win the eighteenth hole. First points of the day on the line which might just set the tone for the entire day.  NBC cuts to commercial on the important tee shots which we get to kind of see on small screen with no commentary. Ruined the story. Events like the Ryder Cup are all about telling the tale and letting the viewer share in the roller coaster of emotions. Missed the boat way to often today. 

Bill Seitz

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 06:49:09 PM »
One would think that with the "play through" commercials, they could have limited commercial breaks overall.  But it's almost as if they treated those as live action, with regular full commercial breaks, effectively doubling the time taken away for commercials.  Fortunately I recorded everything and started an hour or two behind.  There's enough downtime with guys taking 2-3 different looks at putts, and checking their notes on the green, when you add in full commercial breaks, watching live action must have been unbearable.  I actually found the "play through" pretty distracting.  I would watch those at double speed with no sound.  It's like they amped up the volume on those, making the commercials especially annoying.


I thought everything else with the broadcast was fine (commentary, camera work, etc.), with the caveat that I didn't really see any of the "stories" and such, as I zipped through most of those.

jeffwarne

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 06:56:23 PM »
The incessant commercials destroyed the dynamic tension of todays spectacular play. For example, Rory is one down and needs to win the eighteenth hole. First points of the day on the line which might just set the tone for the entire day.  NBC cuts to commercial on the important tee shots which we get to kind of see on small screen with no commentary. Ruined the story. Events like the Ryder Cup are all about telling the tale and letting the viewer share in the roller coaster of emotions. Missed the boat way to often today.


additionally they almost never showed the overall scoreboard(how each match stood and by how much) after the first hour or two.
By the time it meant something they never showed it.


commercials were brutal
DVR next time
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David_Tepper

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 07:23:03 PM »

Carl Rogers

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2016, 07:30:23 PM »
agree with all of you, television golf is not about golf.
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2016, 09:22:38 PM »
I give NBC a "D+"

Kalen Braley

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2016, 09:36:01 PM »
Despite the lacklister coverage, which for the record, NBC has been no doubt awful for years..


It was still a compelling event to watch, especially seeing Pat go full on beast mode!!

Tim_Cronin

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2016, 01:19:22 AM »
Given I know what NBC is trying to do, I thought Tom Roy and crew did fine.
For those who do not, how would you change it?
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Jason Topp

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2016, 08:43:49 AM »
Given I know what NBC is trying to do, I thought Tom Roy and crew did fine.
For those who do not, how would you change it?


I would follow the lead of other majors and go multi-channel.  I would guess the Ryder Cup is more difficult than majors to cover because you have at least four groups and sometimes 12 that could be important.  In a regular major the number is usually more like two.  Ideally, I would have a channel for each group and the overall coverage channel. 

Joe Bausch

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2016, 09:53:39 AM »
Given I know what NBC is trying to do, I thought Tom Roy and crew did fine.
For those who do not, how would you change it?


Stop the ultra zoom of the golf ball in flight, in particular on par 3 shots!  This is a remnant from the SD television days.  If they didn't zoom so much you could see the ball curving (or not), and how much it is curving.
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2016, 10:14:38 AM »
They need a shot tracker on every tee shot. I hated the fact that whenever they showed a match, you knew the outcome before the ball was struck. It went in. WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY too much tape and not enough live.
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Howard Riefs

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Kalen Braley

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2016, 01:24:53 PM »
They need a shot tracker on every tee shot. I hated the fact that whenever they showed a match, you knew the outcome before the ball was struck. It went in. WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY too much tape and not enough live.


Jim,


Fully agreed, why can't we have shot tracker on every shot.  Its way awesome!!

Sam Kestin

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2016, 01:57:47 PM »
I couldn't have been more annoyed with that ridiculous "Playing Through" feature. Half the time it felt like just B roll of flags waving or wide pano shots of the golf course.


Moreover, I really hated how hard they hyped it before every time they did it--like we were supposed to be tremendously grateful that they figured out a way to jam in 1.5x the commercial time and still pretend like their focus is actually on the golf.


There is an expression I love that describes this--"peeing on my shoes and telling me it's raining." This was done exclusively to increase the bottom line--don't try to pull the wool over my eyes and proclaim this as being for my benefit.


At one point, following a "Playing Through", they showed two shots and went right back to commercial. As a general rule--I believe we should not see more shots during the commercial than we do during the actual live segment. Is that a ridiculous ask?




John Kavanaugh

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2016, 11:43:31 AM »
From noon Eastern time till the US clinched at 5 pm I thought it was the best 5 hours of free entertainment I have ever witnessed. If it were pay per view I would have been playing golf instead, much to my detriment.

Rick Shefchik

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Re: Ryder Cup TV Coverage
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2016, 11:54:26 AM »
The play-through wrinkle is an ominous development. Rather than seeing it as letting the live action bleed into the commercial, I'm afraid it's the other way around: the commercials are now bleeding into the live action. There could be a point in the not-too-distant future when we'll have a constant commercial window during live sports events.
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