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Bill_McBride

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Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« on: September 06, 2016, 08:28:48 PM »
i just posted about a hole like this at La Cumbre in Santa Barbara.   The clubhouse is on a steep hill. The first hole is a 430 yard par 4 off that hill, the second returns to the clubhouse with an uphill approach to a two tier green right below the clubhouse. 


This seems to be a recurring theme with Thomas.  Riviera's second comes back to the clubhouse.   There are some benefits:   Sudden death playoffs starting at #1 don't get far from the house.  The perennially late guy can join you on the third tee only 2 down. 


Our second hole at Pensacola does this.    What other courses feature this returning second hole.  (I can't remember if Bel Air does, it's been too long, and I have no idea today what were the first two holes in the original Ojai routing!)
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2016, 08:58:59 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on September 06, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
i just posted about a hole like this at La Cumbre in Santa Barbara.   The clubhouse is on a steep hill. The first hole is a 430 yard par 4 off that hill, the second returns to the clubhouse with an uphill approach to a two tier green right below the clubhouse. 


This seems to be a recurring theme with Thomas.  Riviera's second comes back to the clubhouse.   There are some benefits:   Sudden death playoffs starting at #1 don't get far from the house.  The perennially late guy can join you on the third tee only 2 down. 


Our second hole at Pensacola does this.    What other courses feature this returning second hole.  (I can't remember if Bel Air does, it's been too long, and I have no idea today what were the first two holes in the original Ojai routing!)


Bel Air does not return at #2 green, as there is only room for the 9th and 18th holes to come back up to the clubhouse in that space.  Gotta follow the canyons!


However, Thomas was a big proponent of coming back to the clubhouse with #2 in his book, for precisely the two reasons you stated above.  It was influential enough on me that High Pointe came back to the clubhouse at #2.  I can't think if I have ever done so again.
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J_ Crisham

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2016, 09:54:54 PM »
Philly Cricket
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BCowan

Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2016, 10:26:45 PM »
Grosse Ile
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mike_malone

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2016, 10:57:37 PM »
Rolling Green does that. Tonight I played the back, 3 and 4, and ended on 2. 
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2016, 11:13:36 PM »
Portland GC, which had a Ryder Cup.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2016, 11:15:00 PM »
Quote from: mike_malone on September 06, 2016, 10:57:37 PM
Rolling Green does that. Tonight I played the back, 3 and 4, and ended on 2.


Whisky loop?
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mike_beene

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 11:41:40 PM »
The old Turnberry routing does this;not sure about the new routing. Also, Shady Oaks and Ridgewood in Waco do this. I think the New England club where they used to play a tour tourney(Pleasant Valley?) does this as well.
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Pat Burke

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2016, 12:50:31 AM »
Riviera
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Greg Gilson

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2016, 01:00:07 AM »
Dunbar?
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Steve Slotemaker

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2016, 01:07:22 AM »
Top of mind:
Palouse Ridge Golf Course in Pullman, WA (2nd hole)
University of Idaho Golf Course in Moscow, ID (3rd hole)

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Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2016, 02:32:49 AM »
Fenway
Deepdale
Fresh Meadow
Creek
Rockaway Hunt
Yale
Wannamoisett
LACC South
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 02:36:14 AM by Robert Mercer Deruntz »
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Tim Gallant

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2016, 03:14:27 AM »
Cal Club
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Bill Shamleffer

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2016, 04:16:31 AM »
Algonquin GC, St. Louis, Mo.
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2016, 05:25:00 AM »
Isle of Purbeck  ;D
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2016, 06:14:28 AM »
Cobb's Creek.
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Greg Stebbins

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2016, 08:18:36 AM »
Hackensack
Upper Montclair (West)
Tamarack
Rhode Island CC
Saucon Valley (Old)
Olympic (Lake)
Conway Farms
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 08:24:16 AM by Greg Stebbins »
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Criss Titschinger

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2016, 08:24:28 AM »
Clovernook CC in Cincinnati.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2016, 11:07:32 AM »
Crystal Downs, Olympic Lake, and Sewanee.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 11:12:19 AM by Nigel Islam »
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Ben Voelker

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2016, 11:13:11 AM »
Elie
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BHoover

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2016, 11:30:33 AM »
The 3rd hole at Columbus CC returns to the clubhouse (it was 18 in the original routing).
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Stephen Pellegrino

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2016, 12:05:38 PM »
Ekwanok.
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Stephen Pellegrino

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2016, 12:08:11 PM »
...and at Dunbar #3 green comes back to the clubhouse. In fact, it's closer to the clubhouse than the 18th green is.
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MCirba

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2016, 01:22:57 PM »
The first two courses I ever played, both modest former farm nine-holers (Scott-View GC and Wemberley Hills GC)   each had a second hole returning to the clubhouse.  Perhaps archies John Kosydar and Joe Bosak, respectively, were also disciples of Captain Thomas?  ;)
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 03:35:30 PM by MCirba »
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JStewart

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Re: Second holes that return to the clubhouse
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2016, 01:25:03 PM »
Birmingham CC (MI)
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