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Carl Rogers

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CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« on: July 03, 2016, 05:08:57 PM »
about time!!
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2016, 05:14:33 PM »
I know it would be exciting to see them go at it in two, but as a golf hole three shotters aren't bad. The lay up, however, could be more interesting. I do agree with McCord that letting them have a go once would be nice.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2016, 05:17:46 PM »
For, like 50 years, the 16th at Firestone was a three-shot hole.  It doesn't work today only because they've let the equipment get out of hand that a 625-yard hole has to be judged by how it treats a guy who's going for it in two.
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Carl Rogers

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2016, 07:03:48 PM »
so it is a 525 par 4.5 ... or a 800 yard true 3 shotter?
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Tim_Cronin

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2016, 08:14:32 PM »
I say leave it. Look how Day overthought it and got into trouble. Tried to lay up and hooked it, leading to a double. You can think too much on the course. DJ will tell you that!
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JStewart

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2016, 03:34:22 PM »
What is the criticism? Only that it can't be reached in two?
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Will MacEwen

Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2016, 04:12:38 PM »
Quote from: JStewart on July 05, 2016, 03:34:22 PM
What is the criticism? Only that it can't be reached in two?

The water would make the hole more interesting if players were tempted to go for it in two - if they all hit up and hit wedges it is kind of dull.
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Carl Rogers

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2016, 07:58:27 PM »
Quote from: JStewart on July 05, 2016, 03:34:22 PM
What is the criticism? Only that it can't be reached in two?
The lay-up shot is a joke.
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BHoover

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2016, 08:08:55 PM »
Quote from: Carl Rogers on July 05, 2016, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: JStewart on July 05, 2016, 03:34:22 PM
What is the criticism? Only that it can't be reached in two?
The lay-up shot is a joke.

Ask Jason Day if he agrees.
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Matt Kardash

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 08:07:09 AM »
The shot over water can be very exciting. The hole is supposed to be so long that there is no guarantee that your 3rd shot will be from in the centre of the fairway from 100 yards. Equipment has taken a lot of the bite out of the hole for the professional golfer.
But even so, I am sure the 3rd shot is plenty exciting to most amateurs who play. I would like to know how many amateurs who play the hole have a routine wedge into the green. Probably not many.
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Eric LeFante

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 08:48:58 AM »
I like how the hole demands a good tee shot for the pros. A poor tee shot will require a lot of work to make a par. Most par 5's we see the pros play are too easy in my opinion. A very bad tee shot usually just means a lay up and a 100 yard wedge. The penalty for a bad tee shot on most par 5's is that they can't go for the green in two but can still make a birdie with a wedge.
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BHoover

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 09:15:07 AM »
Excellent posts, Matt and Eric. I think the layup shot is what makes the hole interesting. Even with a good tee shot, the golfer is forced to play a long layup shot rather than the typical 6 or 7 iron followed by a wedge. It takes a well-played layup to leave a fairly easy approach. That's no guarantee on the hole.

For the tournament, it might be interesting to move the tee up once in a while to entice a few pros to give it a go in two. But for the members and guests, I find 16 to be plenty interesting/challenging as is.
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Mark Pritchett

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Re: CBS Announcers finally get it right, Firestone 16th does not work as a Golf Hole
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 11:26:48 AM »
I think 16 looks like a fun hole to navigate.  I actually enjoy watching the pros play it. 


Interesting how many of them can be 100 yards out and not get it close.
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