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Terry Lavin

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2016, 07:39:59 PM »
Did the ball strike the putter when it fell back? The mic in the indicates that it did.

Didn't hear that. But Johnson would KNOW that I would think.

I for one do not trust DJ in this.  His character is not exactly beyond reproach - in more ways than one.

If your tongue is not in cheek, I can introduce you to Jeff Hall. You might fit in!
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Dean Stokes

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2016, 07:40:38 PM »
I think the worse ruling was his line of sight debacle! Drop out of a shitty lie into a perfect lie where the tv tower was still clearly in line of sight as the ball flew straight over it! Now that's BS!
Living The Dream in The Palm Beaches....golfing, yoga-ing, horsing around and working damn it!!!!!!!

Joe Hancock

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2016, 07:44:15 PM »
Did the ball strike the putter when it fell back? The mic in the indicates that it did.

Didn't hear that. But Johnson would KNOW that I would think.

I for one do not trust DJ in this.  His character is not exactly beyond reproach - in more ways than one.

Which is even further reaching than the USGA.

Oh, cmon. He's had drug suspensions and he sneaks around with other players' wives.  He ain't no choir boy.

Make sure you've identified all participants with similar known infractions then. And don't forget to go back in history to run some of golfs' most beloved through your morals and ethics test.
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Ryan Coles

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2016, 07:45:08 PM »
He'll be honorary starter in the masters. Every cloud.....

Phil McDade

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2016, 07:45:39 PM »
I think the worse ruling was his line of sight debacle! Drop out of a shitty lie into a perfect lie where the tv tower was still clearly in line of sight as the ball flew straight over it! Now that's BS!


I wondered about that, too. Didn't Els get a similar line-of-sight relief ruling in 1994 that was later viewed as a bad ruling?

Dean Stokes

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2016, 07:47:29 PM »
I think the worse ruling was his line of sight debacle! Drop out of a shitty lie into a perfect lie where the tv tower was still clearly in line of sight as the ball flew straight over it! Now that's BS!


I wondered about that, too. Didn't Els get a similar line-of-sight relief ruling in 1994 that was later viewed as a bad ruling?
i was under the impression that if you took relief it had to be "total" relief. This was a case of getting a good lie to advance the ball. I blame the referee.
Living The Dream in The Palm Beaches....golfing, yoga-ing, horsing around and working damn it!!!!!!!

Terry Lavin

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2016, 07:48:07 PM »
Did the ball strike the putter when it fell back? The mic in the indicates that it did.

Didn't hear that. But Johnson would KNOW that I would think.

I for one do not trust DJ in this.  His character is not exactly beyond reproach - in more ways than one.

Just because he's dim, doesn't mean he's dihonourable.

You're right, Sven. The fact that he does dishonorable things is what makes him dishonorable.

Looks like the sinner will be a winner.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Phil McDade

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2016, 07:48:28 PM »
I think the worse ruling was his line of sight debacle! Drop out of a shitty lie into a perfect lie where the tv tower was still clearly in line of sight as the ball flew straight over it! Now that's BS!


I wondered about that, too. Didn't Els get a similar line-of-sight relief ruling in 1994 that was later viewed as a bad ruling?
i was under the impression that if you took relief it had to be "total" relief. This was a case of getting a good lie to advance the ball. I blame the referee.


That was my impression as well, Dean.

BCowan

Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2016, 07:48:36 PM »
Did the ball strike the putter when it fell back? The mic in the indicates that it did.

Didn't hear that. But Johnson would KNOW that I would think.

I for one do not trust DJ in this.  His character is not exactly beyond reproach - in more ways than one.

Which is even further reaching than the USGA.

Oh, cmon. He's had drug suspensions and he sneaks around with other players' wives.  He ain't no choir boy.

Make sure you've identified all participants with similar known infractions then. And don't forget to go back in history to run some of golfs' most beloved through your morals and ethics test.

U can say that again.  DJ isn't smart enough to put on an act

jeffwarne

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2016, 07:49:42 PM »
I think the worse ruling was his line of sight debacle! Drop out of a shitty lie into a perfect lie where the tv tower was still clearly in line of sight as the ball flew straight over it! Now that's BS!


I wondered about that, too. Didn't Els get a similar line-of-sight relief ruling in 1994 that was later viewed as a bad ruling?


Phil,
The Els TV crane was ruled a temporary immoveable obstruction-and he was given relief- when it was in fact moveable.


The DJ ruling on 10 from the tower was correctly applied
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

John Kavanaugh

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2016, 07:53:37 PM »
If they wait long enough he just might sign an incorrect scorecard.

Dean Stokes

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2016, 07:54:15 PM »
I think the worse ruling was his line of sight debacle! Drop out of a shitty lie into a perfect lie where the tv tower was still clearly in line of sight as the ball flew straight over it! Now that's BS!


I wondered about that, too. Didn't Els get a similar line-of-sight relief ruling in 1994 that was later viewed as a bad ruling?


Phil,
The Els TV crane was ruled a temporary immoveable obstruction-and he was given relief- when it was in fact moveable.


The DJ ruling on 10 from the tower was correctly applied
even if no relief was taken except from a bad lie Jeff? Just wondering.
Living The Dream in The Palm Beaches....golfing, yoga-ing, horsing around and working damn it!!!!!!!

Sven Nilsen

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2016, 07:57:22 PM »
Did the ball strike the putter when it fell back? The mic in the indicates that it did.

Didn't hear that. But Johnson would KNOW that I would think.

I for one do not trust DJ in this.  His character is not exactly beyond reproach - in more ways than one.

Just because he's dim, doesn't mean he's dihonourable.

You're right, Sven. The fact that he does dishonorable things is what makes him dishonorable.

Time for the Otter speech.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6PYb_anBMus
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Joe Hancock

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2016, 07:59:57 PM »
He'll be honorary starter in the masters. Every cloud.....

Arnie was not tapping his friends' wives.  If you don't understand the difference, I feel for you.

Not sure why you are going so sideways here...

What you know, or think you know about any of these guys doesn't matter concerning todays situation. The fact that the USGA altered the tenor, strategy and discussion during the tournament in such a negative way is the issue. They're damned lucky they didn't get further screwed by a faltering DJ. He persevered, whether you like the guy or not.
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Terry Lavin

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2016, 08:00:22 PM »
Took you that long - and that's all you came up with? :)

Sanctimony knows skanktimony.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Sven Nilsen

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2016, 08:04:26 PM »
Took you that long - and that's all you came up with? :)

i've never seen him try to be an internet tough guy, he's good in my book.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

jeffwarne

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2016, 08:05:24 PM »


 They're damned lucky they didn't get further screwed by a faltering DJ. He persevered, whether you like the guy or not.


case closed-damn lucky


Love to be fly on the wall when he tells the USGA spineless morons to do whatever they want...
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 08:07:18 PM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Joe Hancock

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2016, 08:07:23 PM »
He'll be honorary starter in the masters. Every cloud.....

Arnie was not tapping his friends' wives.  If you don't understand the difference, I feel for you.

Not sure why you are going so sideways here...

What you know, or think you know about any of these guys doesn't matter concerning todays situation. The fact that the USGA altered the tenor, strategy and discussion during the tournament in such a negative way is the issue. They're damned lucky they didn't get further screwed by a faltering DJ. He persevered, whether you like the guy or not.

I was just reacting to the notion that he can be presumed honest.  Lowry took it like a man. He tried to weasel out.

If any player is presumed to be dishonest, they shouldn't be in the field. I think they all start out presumed to be honest, as they should be.
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Don Hyslop

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2016, 08:10:13 PM »
Do they have to inform him if there is a penalty before he signs his scorecard?
Thompson golf holes were created to look as if they had always been there and were always meant to be there.

Joe Hancock

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2016, 08:12:49 PM »
Do they have to inform him if there is a penalty before he signs his scorecard?

I'm pondering what a fiasco it would be if DJ went ahead and signed before the USGA gives him a final decision. What if....?

And by going ahead and penalizing DJ, the USGA make the discussion about DJ's integrity instead of their own. Brilliant.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 08:16:35 PM by Joe Hancock »
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Sven Nilsen

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2016, 08:15:54 PM »
Took you that long - and that's all you came up with? :)

i've never seen him try to be an internet tough guy, he's good in my book.

You mean like a guy who calls other posters names on the Internet?  Look in the mirror.

Did i call anyone a name?  If i recall, it was you calling out people you've never met for being dishonourable.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Mike Hendren

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2016, 08:18:41 PM »
Only on GCA does a guy get screwed by the USGA and come out smelling like an adulterer. 

Bogey
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Carl Rogers

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2016, 08:21:09 PM »
The USGA needs to put in place a definitive time limit in place to overturn the ruling at the time. ... like before hitting the tee shot on the next hole.  ............. And then leave the ruling alone!
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

Mike Hendren

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2016, 08:24:50 PM »
I'm debating whether to post a pic of my surprised face, having learned the USGA imposed the one-stroke penalty.

A total lack of testicular fortitude by the blazers.

A farce.
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Sven Nilsen

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Re: We are witnessing the stupidest decision I've ever seen in sports
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2016, 08:27:58 PM »
Internet tough guy?  Not name calling?

You made it personal. Not me.

This was your doing. Not mine. 

I said nothing about you, which is basically the norm...

That purple skin is pretty thin.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross