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BCrosby

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Oakmont's Ditches
« on: June 18, 2016, 03:05:32 PM »
Having walked Oakmont for a couple of days, I came away impressed with a number of features, but it was the shallow ditches that I found most striking. You don't see them on other courses, but at O they are on almost every hole. In virtually all cases they run parallel or obliquely to fw center lines. 


Oakmont has let tall wispy fescue grow up in them. I find the look appealing. Except after a rain, they stay dry.


It strikes me that O's little ditches offer a number of advantages. They make for an interesting hazard, in the sense that recoveries are possible if well executed. They do not call for penalty strokes as a creek would.


They are easy to build and maintain. Best of all they facilitate drainage. None of those things is true of a traditional sand bunker.


Why don't we see more little ditches (or is 'trenches' a better word?) like those at O? I'm having trouble thinking of a downside to them, while I can think of several advantages, both as a design feature and as an aid to draining low spots.


Bob
 

BCowan

Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2016, 04:11:42 PM »
Bob,

  I agree with you.  Meadowbrook CC in the Detroit area is implementing ditches on their course in a renovation.  It looks really good and can't wait to interact with them in another year! 
« Last Edit: June 18, 2016, 04:13:33 PM by Ben Cowan (Michigan) »

Rick Shefchik

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2016, 04:15:20 PM »
If they truly help with drainage, I'm all for them. But if they're just there for aggravation, I'd pass.
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Ryan Farrow

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2016, 04:17:38 PM »
I agree with you, they are fantastic. If I ever get the opportunity I will try and incorporate them wherever they make sense. Sure beats underground pipes from a financial and ecological standpoint.

Terry Lavin

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2016, 06:51:23 PM »
Having played there, I would agree that they're unique. And murderous on a chopper's game.
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David_Tepper

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2016, 06:57:04 PM »
The appear to be several holes with ditches on both sides of the fairway. Am I right about that?

I am not a big fan of holes with hazard stakes both left and right.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2016, 09:20:04 PM by David_Tepper »

Jon Cavalier

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 12:44:39 AM »
I believe holes 10 & 12 have ditches on both sides of the fairway.
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Josh Stevens

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2016, 05:29:09 AM »
Ditches are a common feature on the most of the London heathland tracks.  I presume there well placed for water movement, as they seem somewhat random from a golfing perspective, and some are nasty little vertical sided buggers that are utterly impossible to get out of

BCrosby

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2016, 09:34:58 AM »
Agree that ditches along both sides of some fw's is over the top, but that is a problem with hazards at O generally. Most LZ's are bounded left and right with some sort of hazard.


Since most LZ's are also severely tilted, driving targets are in effect very narrow. (Wet conditions have masked that fact this year.) That larger issue, and not the ditches per se, is my biggest criticism of the design of O.


Good stuff for a US Open perhaps. Otherwise, not so much.


Bob 

Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Oakmont's Ditches
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2016, 03:43:57 PM »
What I love about the ditches in this Open is the combination of borderline playability and marked as a lateral.

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