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Michael Whitaker

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Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« on: May 31, 2016, 10:53:08 PM »
Bill McBride was sent the following drawings of the 1st on the Red Course and 18th on the Blue Course of The Loop by Tom Doak. Tom asked Bill to post on GCA... Bill asked me... so, here you go... enjoy!


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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2016, 10:53:47 PM »
Here is the same hole reversed...


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Bill_McBride

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2016, 11:10:54 PM »
Thank you Mike.  Perhaps Mr. Doak will send on the remaining 34 holes in time. 
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Matthew Essig

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2016, 11:19:18 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on May 31, 2016, 11:10:54 PM
Thank you Mike.  Perhaps Mr. Doak will send on the remaining 34 holes in time.


+1. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Tom.
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Norbert P

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2016, 11:21:46 PM »
 Reversible course?!   That's crazy talk.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2016, 11:31:49 PM »
Norbert! Welcome back - where have you been?

Yes, a purposely designed and built from scratch reversible course, err, courses. It -- or they -- plays one way one day, the other the next.

You missed all the talk while you were away

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RJ_Daley

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2016, 11:32:15 PM »
Is the course as easy as reading the playing description upsidedown?   ;D
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2016, 11:34:26 PM »
Quote from: RJ_Daley on May 31, 2016, 11:32:15 PM
Is the course as easy as reading the playing description upsidedown?   ;D


Keep looking, Dick. You'll figure it out.  :-\
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Norbert P

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2016, 11:46:02 PM »
  Do the courses play downhill in both directions?










 



 
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2016, 07:12:21 AM »
Michael:

Thanks for assisting with posting the diagram.  It looks great on my iPhone!  Maybe we should do yardage book apps.

I'm Playing golf with Ian Andrew in Montreal the next couple of days but will try to check back here.  I posted the 1st hole of the Red course because that's the one Dan Herrmann posted pictures of on the other thread.

The cool thing about #1 is the the landing area is blind from the tee but you can see the green and just the top edge of the big bunker on the right.  Then when you get out in the fairway it reveals itself.  My friend from Australia who played with me on Monday really got a kick out of that.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2016, 07:56:12 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on June 01, 2016, 07:12:21 AM
Michael:

Thanks for assisting with posting the diagram.  It looks great on my iPhone!  Maybe we should do yardage book apps.

I'm Playing golf with Ian Andrew in Montreal the next couple of days but will try to check back here.  I posted the 1st hole of the Red course because that's the one Dan Herrmann posted pictures of on the other thread.

The cool thing about #1 is the the landing area is blind from the tee but you can see the green and just the top edge of the big bunker on the right.  Then when you get out in the fairway it reveals itself.  My friend from Australia who played with me on Monday really got a kick out of that.


Will there be a bell to ring as you move out of danger from that blind driving area?   Love hearing a bell before you hit.  13 at Rye where Bob Jenkins almost killed Mayday Malone and me because nobody told him to wait for the bell!
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2016, 10:32:11 AM »
I think that what I saw of The Loop looks great.  I think it's amazingly creative and will be a joy to play.


It's on a huge piece of land, and built on ancient sand dunes and plays through the Northern Michigan pine forest.    But the holes I saw were very wide and I don't think the trees will be much of a factor.   


'Tis very, very cool!


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Brad Tufts

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2016, 12:28:06 PM »
Awesome concept with the yardage book!

How many pages would contain two holes with the same hole #?
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Norbert P

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2016, 01:17:34 PM »
 Dan H. I assume that's #1 approach.  It looks both tempting and strategic. .   Any more? 


Tom, I realize this is grow-in stage but will the rough behind the bunker we see on the left be growing tall or remain shaved to native  edges?  Btw, I dig the simple centerline bunker.   



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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2016, 03:16:12 PM »
Yeah - I posted additional photos here:  http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,58998.125.html  (Scroll down and you'll see them on Page 6)


Best of all, Tom was good enough to indicate the details on the photos I took.


PS - That bunker on the right is HUGE!
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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2016, 04:05:58 PM »
Quote from: Brad Tufts on June 01, 2016, 12:28:06 PM
Awesome concept with the yardage book!

How many pages would contain two holes with the same hole #?

Undoubtedly I will get sledged for this, my personal opinion only, but would've been cooler to have zero instructions (beyond safety). Something about anyone "tells you how to play a hole."

And yeah yeah yadda yadda yadda..."If you don't want to be dictated to then don't buy / read a yardage book"...thanks in advance for that advice.  ::)
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2016, 04:15:27 PM »
Here is a combo of Dan's photos with Tom's drawing. Help's to see the two together, I think.


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Eric Smith

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2016, 04:20:07 PM »
Uh oh ... iPad/iPhone Flip Screen Frustration Syndrom (iFSFS) Alert!
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2016, 04:30:01 PM »
And, the 18th on the Blue...


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Josh Tarble

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2016, 05:14:42 PM »
That is super cool!  Can't wait to get up there and check it out for myself. 
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Tim Leahy

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2016, 05:31:38 PM »
Does this 2 for 1 concept actually save any significant money for the property owner over having 2 separate courses. You still have 36 greens and multiple bunkers. Are some of the bunkers built for multi direction?
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Josh Tarble

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2016, 05:42:59 PM »
Quote from: Tim Leahy on June 01, 2016, 05:31:38 PM
Does this 2 for 1 concept actually save any significant money for the property owner over having 2 separate courses. You still have 36 greens and multiple bunkers. Are some of the bunkers built for multi direction?

It's only 18 greens.  Literally one course that can be played both forward and backward.  It can only be played as a certain direction each day so I doubt it sames money over a single course, but obviously saves money over two courses.  Plus you'll have players staying longer to play both courses.
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Rees Milikin

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2016, 05:44:17 PM »
Quote from: Tim Leahy on June 01, 2016, 05:31:38 PM
Does this 2 for 1 concept actually save any significant money for the property owner over having 2 separate courses. You still have 36 greens and multiple bunkers. Are some of the bunkers built for multi direction?

Less area to water and fairways to mow.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2016, 07:38:08 PM »
Quote from: Tim Leahy on June 01, 2016, 05:31:38 PM
Does this 2 for 1 concept actually save any significant money for the property owner over having 2 separate courses. You still have 36 greens and multiple bunkers. Are some of the bunkers built for multi direction?


nothing significant...
just 1/2 ;D
I'm guessing it has less bunkers than the usual 18 hole course
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Tom Doak Tells You How To Play A Hole At The Loop
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2016, 07:41:51 PM »
With this course and the other one....you essentially have 3 courses in one spot.  If you had enough business to fill all 3, all the time, I don't think it gets u much.

But if the courses aren't full and now you have people staying an extra day to play both routings, I would think that would be a very nice value add, with no additional course to maintain.



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