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Ran Morrissett

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OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« on: April 10, 2016, 10:39:33 AM »
I admit to being a dinosaur but no cover under cover!

If I see one more interview conducted inside with the player wearing his idiotic baseball hat, I will scream!

Augusta National is the one place that could force good manners on people that, well, evidently …. need good manners forced on them! I get the sponsors and their contracts, but not at the expense of showing how a gentleman should comport himself.

Someone once said, '“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.” I don't think they were talking about this exact situation BUT it applies.

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« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 10:47:58 AM by Ran Morrissett »
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BCowan

Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2016, 10:56:29 AM »
Amen!

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Kalen Braley

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2016, 10:58:19 AM »
Was he in a permanent structure or a temporary tent?   ;D
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jeffwarne

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2016, 11:02:34 AM »
Quote from: Ran Morrissett on April 10, 2016, 10:39:33 AM
I admit to being a dinosaur but no cover under cover!

If I see one more interview conducted inside with the player wearing his idiotic baseball hat, I will scream!

Augusta National is the one place that could force good manners on people that, well, evidently …. need good manners forced on them! I get the sponsors and their contracts, but not at the expense of showing how a gentleman should comport himself.

Someone once said, '“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.” I don't think they were talking about this exact situation BUT it applies.

Signed,

The Last of the Mohicans

Yep.Cant even drink a logoed water, but that Taylormade hat indoors AOK.Greatest event in the world but has slipped in some regards.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2016, 11:33:52 AM »
I wonder what it would look like to have the current tour players be logo-less.


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Daniel Jones

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2016, 12:03:10 PM »
Amen.. I seem to recall a few years ago Rickie Fowler being scolded to turn his hat around during an interview. He had put it on backwards so "people could see his face." Would seem there was a better solution...
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Bill_McBride

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2016, 12:07:53 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on April 10, 2016, 11:33:52 AM
I wonder what it would look like to have the current tour players be logo-less.





Agreed.   Some of those guys look like NASCAR drivers.  I particularly dislike the UPS logo on a golf shirt, but I guess it worked, I noticed it.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2016, 12:20:16 PM »
I agree with Ran about the hat off inside.


The rest seems in need of a cleanse. Are people that distracted that they see only the trees and not the forest?


Perhaps the USGA, PGATours, R&A and other ruling bodies can legislate against excessive displays of independent contracting.


Look at Bryson. He has nothing on his hat. Ryan Moore did it a few years back (and may still be doing it. I haven't noticed lately.)
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Eric Smith

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2016, 12:35:29 PM »
Look back at some of the greats of the past - they showed no shame in having hat head!
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Sean_A

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2016, 12:36:41 PM »
I always assumed guys had to wear their hats right after a round when interviewed as part of contract terms.


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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2016, 01:04:04 PM »
Not really fair saying Bryson has no logos as he doesn't get paid for wearing logos, at least not until tomorrow.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2016, 01:07:16 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on April 10, 2016, 11:33:52 AM
I wonder what it would look like to have the current tour players be logo-less.




Joe,

you don't need to display a logo when you are an icon  :)
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2016, 01:08:15 PM »
Wayne, I don't believe in fairness. I believe in making a refutable argument and then criticizing anyone who dares to contradict my shaky evidence.


Enjoy the tournament ;D ;D ;D
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Pat Alpaugh

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2016, 01:12:06 PM »
Did I read that someone on here really thinks that a person wearing a hat indoors is actually degrading the event?
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Ryan Coles

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2016, 01:13:45 PM »
Quote from: Pat Alpaugh on April 10, 2016, 01:12:06 PM
Did I read that someone on here really thinks that a person wearing a hat indoors is actually degrading the event?

Bring back Cliff and the good ol days.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2016, 01:22:20 PM »
Pat,

Beware...the hat indoors thing is a sensitive topic on GCA!!   ;D

P.S.  For those complaining about players covered heard to toe logos.  Are you claiming you'd turn down the massive, essentially free $$$ to put them on your gear?
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Pat Alpaugh

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2016, 01:29:54 PM »
Kalen,

   Thanks for the "heads up".  I'm all for slowing down the coarsening of society but suggesting that not removing one's hat while indoors is degrading the actual event is a bit of an overstatement.  Heaven forbid that he just forgot.
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BCowan

Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2016, 01:40:55 PM »
Thankfully the folks at Kingsley Club remind you if you happen to forget.  I don't find it an overstatement but a very important indicator.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 01:44:12 PM by Ben Cowan (Michigan) »
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Kalen Braley

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2016, 01:44:11 PM »
Quote from: Pat Alpaugh on April 10, 2016, 01:29:54 PM
Kalen,

   Thanks for the "heads up".  I'm all for slowing down the coarsening of society but suggesting that not removing one's hat while indoors is degrading the actual event is a bit of an overstatement.  Heaven forbid that he just forgot.

Pat,

I can't say I disagree.  With all the world's problems out there...its gotta be right up there in the top 10!!  ;)
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corey miller

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2016, 05:08:49 PM »

I agree with Ran on this but do a double-take on his statement that they could "force good manners". 

Why because they have a tournament that everyone wants to play?  I made a mild suggestion that a private club could "teach good manners" to high school golf teams by insuring they play faster by only giving them a specific time to play the matches.  That seemed a crazy idea to a few, but IMO less crazy than telling grown men to take off their hats. 

There is clearly a race to the bottom in golf etiquette and manners at even our more prestigious clubs.   
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2016, 06:52:48 PM »
So Lee Westwood doesn't make Ran's Christmas Card list, I guess?
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Terry Lavin

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2016, 06:58:59 PM »
Time has passed this obligatory courtesy by. I just watched Willett in the cabin on his iPhone trying to FaceTime with his mum. He celebrated on a couch with his caddie. And yes, they both had their hats on.
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Mike_Young

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2016, 07:00:13 PM »
It's not the hat Clifford Roberts would fix. It's the chair.  He would never have allowed the commercialism in place there today.  It loses a little more each year and eventually will be no different.  Berkman Place would have never been allowed.  The BP Ego is the problem.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2016, 07:00:41 PM »
Quote from: Terry Lavin on April 10, 2016, 06:58:59 PM
Time has passed this obligatory courtesy by. I just watched Willett in the cabin on his iPhone trying to FaceTime with his mum. He celebrated on a couch with his caddie. And yes, they both had their hats on.

Terry,

Just noticed the same, and all those green jackets standing around didn't say a word.

To hell in a handbasket I tell you...
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noonan

Re: OT Where is Clifford Roberts when you need him?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2016, 07:02:27 PM »
I am more worried about the Bernie or Hillary supporters that post here  :D
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