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ForkaB

Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« on: September 22, 2003, 06:16:25 AM »
Just back from my first game at Royal Aberdeen, and have some observations and thoughts:

--The course is built on a landform of three main parts—a coastal dune line 20-30 feet high, a narrow valley just inland of the dune line, and a raised beach further inland.  The clubhouse is on the raised beach, and the first hole crosses the three land forms.  The next 8 holes (with the exception of 7, which is on the raised beach) follow the narrow valley.  The turf of the valley is exceptionally undulating, even for similar links land.  The back nine is essentially played along the more inland,/raised beach landform, which is more rolling than undulating.

--Thus, the conventional wisdom, i.e. that the course is “unbalanced” with 9’s of very differing character and strength, is true.  The front 9 is far more appealing in a visual sense given the landforms, and the holes are generally better as golf holes, too, in my opinion, because the tee shots are more demanding (given the effective narrowness of the fairways) and the approach shots far more interesting--due to the greens being imaginatively set into the humps and hollows of the valley.

--Particularly interesting holes are the 1st, with its tee right up against the clubhous and the second shot across the narrow valley to a green perched above the North Sea; the 4th, with a tee set on a diagonal to a straight, bunkerless but extremely narrow fairway , leading to a long second across incredibly cumpled ground to a half-hidden, well bunkered, green; the 8th, as good a drop shot par-3 as you will find, particularly when the bunker is tucked long left, as it was when I played it!; the 17th, a storng medium-long iron one-shotter, normally played into a cross wind; and the 18th, which has a 10-15 foot deep dip in the middle of the fairway starting at about 235 out and ending at 280 or so.  If you make it through the dip, you have an 8-iron or so to a canted elevated green that also nearly abuts the clubhouse.  If you are shot of the dip, the shot is long but imaginable.  If you are in the dip, you are hitting a mid-iron blind into the sky.

--Overall?  RA is very much a local knowledge course.  Lots of blind and semi-blind shots that probably are not anywhere near as confusing or intimidating the 2nd time around.  The greens are subtle rather than heaving, and were extremely fast and true yesterday.  More of a “find the speed” than “find the line” sort of challenge, but very much worth the journey.  As said above, the greens on the front 9 are great, but, the fairways are so narrow that there really is not much that much golf strategy to be had.  It is very much a “hit it straight, stupid!” sort of challeng.  A bit more width on th front 9 would do the course some good.  On the back 9 the problem is reversed.  Relatively wide fairways and then wide open greens, with most of the challenge being judging distance on a fairly monotonous succession of wide open, two-tiered, false front putting surface.  Similar fairway narrowness to the front 9  might have made the back 9 more interesting.

--Changes, Present.  There are two new greens being built by Donald Steele which are near to ready, but not yet in use.  The first changes the 12th hole from a fairly straightforward 400 yard hole to a slight left dogleg “par”-5 of 500 or so.  The second puts a new green to the left of the current 13th, maybe adding 10-20 yards, but keeping the hole in the shortish range (370-380).  Both of the new grens I would describe as “modern,” i.e.:  pushed up, contoured, irregularly shaped, angled to the line of approach.  They are probably “better” than the greens they will replace (particularly the 12th which is a boring front to back plateau thingy), but I’m not sure if they are in character.  The club will be gaining a par 5, but at what price?  There is already a jarring long walk back and to the right to get from the current 1yth green to the 13th tee.  It will be at least a 150 yard walk from the new 12th green (unless they are planning to make the 13th a long par 3?).  Also the forward 13th tees will be in danger from some second shots into 12.  I’m not sure about this renovation!

--Changes, Past.  In the (great) clubhouse there are numerous great artefacts framed on various walls.  Of particularly interest are the notes and sketches of James Braid when he remodelled the course to roughly its present state in the 1920’s.  The notes are brusque (i.e. “move right bunker 3 feet forward, build up left front of green.”) and the sketches are highly schematic, resembling cubist paintings or electrical diagrams, rather than the flourishing pens strokes of a Gil Hanse or Max Behr, for example).  They are highly practical, giving sizes and locations of features, but obviously expecting somebody (the shapers?) to fill in the details.  A fascinating example of how Braid worked, and, from what one can see at RA, and else where, he worked very, very well.  The second note of interest was an old scorecard (1908) which featured a 310 yard 17th hole called “Redan.”  Take that, CB…….

--Changes, Future.  As has been mentioned before on this DG, there are some serious erosion problems at Royal Aberdeen, most obviously notable on the 2nd medal tee, which is visible slipping back onto the beach and into the North Sea.  Stay tuned.

--Bottom Line.  Not one of the very best in Scotland, but comfortably in the (very admirable, even great) second tier including such places as North Berwick, Nairn,  Elie, Lossiemouth, Cruden Bay and Murcar.  Very much worth visiting, but not worth the journey (say from Chicago) in itself.

Darren_Kilfara

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Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2003, 07:24:09 AM »
Thanks for the report, Rihc. I haven't been to Royal Aberdeen yet myself, so I can't comment on your report in full; however, I imagine you're going to get into hot water for suggesting that Cruden Bay is "second tier". I was with you right until you said that...CB is definitely worth flying over from Chicago to see!

Cheers,
Darren

ForkaB

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2003, 07:38:01 AM »
Darren

To each his (or her) own.  IMO, Cruden Bay is properly "rated" (i.e. generally ranked as a wannabe) by the major publications, and very much overrated by many on this site.  Royal Aberdeen is (slightly) a better overall course than CB, IMHO, but, we're picking nits here.  Put either course up against Carnoustie and its a Heavyweight vs. Middleweight sort of "battle."  Not pretty to watch or even contemplate......

BCrosby

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Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2003, 07:58:01 AM »
Rich -

Thanks for the report. I agree with your analysis of RA and its ranking. The first 8 holes are wonderful but can be awfully punitive. I played them last summer in a howling wind and found the narrow fairways borderline impossible under those conditions. And I was striking the ball well.

Interesting that the construction of the new holes doesn't sound like it has progressed much since August, 2002. My money is that they will be a marginal improvement.

I had forgotten about the Braid notes in the clubhouse. (In the hall that leads to the locker room, as I recall.) They do give new meaning to brevity. The architect as rock star Braid was not. But probably no less effective. D. Ross's drive-by design work in the U.S. is quite elaborate by comparison.

I love the first tee. Like Merion, you are on show for the entire membership.

Bob
« Last Edit: September 22, 2003, 08:45:16 AM by BCrosby »

ForkaB

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2003, 09:35:48 AM »
Bill

I saw more than one estrogen-rich human being in the clubhouse yesterday.  Sic transit gloria chauvinistos.......

THuckaby2

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2003, 10:29:29 AM »
Re CB v. Carnoustie, this is typical, expected.  OBVIOUSLY the man who prefers Shinnecock over NGLA would prefer Carnoustie over Cruden Bay - and vice versa.

Test of golf v. whimsical fun, once again.  

There are others, for sure...

Troon / Prestwick

St. Andrews Old / New

Olympic Lakeside / San Francisco GC...

TH

ps - thanks for the report on RA, Rich - never been there, maybe some day... on the way back from playing Cruden Bay!




Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2003, 10:43:01 AM »
lol yes Tom, I may go there too after 2 or 3 rounds at Cruden Bay and at least one at Murcar. Thanks Rich, the detail was great to help see the better points and give the course a more balanced discussion.

THuckaby2

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2003, 10:53:45 AM »
I actually had it on the sked once, cancelled to play another round at CB!

And Mr, Berhardt, your name was invoked loudly and often in NM - TIGERS TIGERS TIGERS....

TH

allysmith

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2003, 02:52:12 PM »
Rich,

Excellent observations on Royal Aberdeen I thoroughly enjoyed them.

I think the differences in the nines in many ways is one of the  strengths of the course. The front nine is the place where ones score must be made the back nine often the place to hang on for grim death.

I remember leading the RA open some years ago coming off the 9th green 4 under par. I then had to withdraw by the 16th when I ran out of golf balls !! The wind was blowing so hard!!



I am heartened to note you also agree that Cruden Bay is pleasent but basicall second tier. That is not a criticism of the course but I feel CB has far too many VERY weak holes to be compared to the likes of Royal Aberdeen, Nairn, Moray Old and Montrose

allysmith

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2003, 02:56:07 PM »
Forgot to add that I disagree on Nairn and Moray Old. I think they are better than Dornoch having played them all with a little success over many years.
 
I would travel from Chicago if I lived there to play.

In fact any excuse to leave the USA would do if it was fo a game of golf in Scotland

Jeff Fortson

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Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2003, 09:20:44 PM »
Rich,

Nice post.  I agree with much of what you said re: Royal Aberdeen.  The 8th hole is one of my favorite par 3's on the planet.  The back, while not as visually pleasing is still not as weak as many like to say, IMHO.  Granted, I do like the front more but the back didn't disappoint me as much as it seems to do to others.

However, I have to say that Cruden Bay is DEFINITELY a TOP TIER golf course in Scotland and I would make the trip from Antartica to play only it if need be.  I think it is one of the best courses, ANYWHERE. :o :o :o

Moray and Nairn are really good but don't sniff Cruden Bay, IMO.

Anyway, great post I thoroughly enjoyed it.  It brought back good memories of a fun golf course.

Jeff F.
#nowhitebelt

ForkaB

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2003, 01:11:11 AM »
Ally

My game was in the RA Open, and while I never got to 4 under (lipped out an 8-footer at the 1st in my only shot at getting into red figures, and it was all downhill from there--no, actually I could have birdied 2 if my doofus caddy (my brother) hadn't read the yardage guide wrong!....) I did manage to finish the round!  I agree with you re: Lossiemouth (have you ever played their 5-day tournament?  One of the great golfing experiences, IMHO), but disagree with you re: Nairn, which I find to be overhyped these days (mostly by Nairn members), and Dornoch, which is in a class well above the other two.  But, you are entitled to your opinion!

Jeff

You are entitiled to your opinion re: Cruden Bay too, and, unlike Allie, you are probably in the majority on this one, at least on GCA!  I think one's view of CB depends on how they see the stretch in the middle, out where the course bottlenecks.  While 6 is great and 7 is a good hole, 8 just gets you from point A to point B.  9, despite the great views from the new medal tee, is just a slog along a ridge.  10 is a drop shot par four to a completely flat field.  11, 12 and 13 are good, but not great links holes.  14, 15 and 16 are seriously quirky, but to me don't have enough redeeming virtues, as golf holes.  Sure it's lots of fun hitting shots into hidden greens, but 3 in a row, where chance plays as much a part in your result as skill?  I'm as much into anticipation as most people on this DG, but I just do not like holes where, even after you have played them for a lifetime (I played with a venerable member who could play) you do not have a clue as to where your ball is going to finish up.  Just me, I guess!

allysmith

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2003, 04:43:26 AM »
Rich,

I have indeed played the Moray 5 day. I am lucky enough to come from Elgin (4 miles away and a BRILLIANT course) I was a member at Elgin and Moray for some years both for a total of £30 per year!!!

Never won it though. Best attempt was second round of the matchplay.

I still think Nairn is a world Treasure IMHO

ForkaB

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2003, 09:36:29 AM »
Ally

One of the highlights of my golfing career was birdieing the 1st in a 9 men for two places playoff at Lossie 10-12 years ago, fortified by about 8 pints of beer and some Codeine (finished round 2 at noon, had some root canal done by the local dentist, spent the rest of the time in the club lounge, not expecting to qualify on 155 or whatever I shot).  Hopefully, you weren't one of the players I managed to beat........

George Pazin

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Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2003, 09:43:53 AM »
Thanks for the thoughtful writeup, Rich - can we expect an addition to the My Home Course section on your new one anytime soon.

You're not such a bad guy when you stick to analyzing courses... :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

ForkaB

Re:Observations on Royal Aberdeen
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2003, 11:36:20 AM »
Thanks, George, and hang in there--as you get older and (hopefully) wiser you'll come around to agreeing with just about everything I say!