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Ronald Montesano

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Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« on: February 25, 2016, 07:43:44 AM »
As promised earlier in the week, here is our contribution to the new course at Gull Lake View. I won't go deeply into it, but it is a unique collaboration of Renaissance Golf guys not named Doak.


http://buffalogolfer.com/wordpress/2016-interview-series-stoatin-brae-architectural-foursome/


« Last Edit: February 25, 2016, 03:22:34 PM by Ronald Montesano »
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 03:38:42 PM »
RonMon,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as one of the resident GCA Scotsmen, I feel it incumbent upon me to correct the outright falsehood which someone has perpetrated here.
Hereby hangs the tale:
'Stoatin Brae' is no more Gaelic, than I am, for example, Spanish. Even if it was it would never mean 'Grand Hill'. The language in use here is probably closer to Lowland Scottish, sometimes known as 'Lallans', spoken largely amongst we folks in the Central Belt.
The word 'Stoatin' usually means nice, fine, great, as in "Hey 'Wullie, your burd's stoatin' which would translate as "I say, William, I do think your lady friend is jolly attractive". It can also mean 'bouncing', but not in this context.
A 'Brae' is quite simply a slope, as in "This brae is awfy steep!".
Grand Hill in Gaelic would probably be closer to 'Càrn Mòr' or maybe 'Ben Mòr' if it's a biggun!
Maybe worth telling someone before all of the marketing material is printed!!!

Cheers,
F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 06:13:59 PM »
Thanks, Ron - that was an excellent interview, and certainly a worthwhile and enjoyable one. "The Four" come across very well - as straightforward, experienced, committed craftsman doing good work in the right way, and with genuine collegiality.  (By extension, Tom D comes across very well too: you can tell the respect that his long time associates have for him, and that they like him too -- and about how many bosses can THAT be said?).
Well done piece, thanks.
And thanks as well to Martin for the edification. It was interesting; and who knew drummers were that smart? :)

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2016, 06:28:47 PM »
Thanks, Ron - that was an excellent interview, and certainly a worthwhile and enjoyable one. "The Four" come across very well - as straightforward, experienced, committed craftsman doing good work in the right way, and with genuine collegiality.  (By extension, Tom D comes across very well too: you can tell the respect that his long time associates have for him, and that they like him too -- and about how many bosses can THAT be said?).
Well done piece, thanks.
And thanks as well to Martin for the edification. It was interesting; and who knew drummers were that smart? :)

Not smart, only Scottish. Although some would say the two are indistinguishable...
Insert kilted smartass emoticon here... ;D

F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2016, 08:19:13 PM »
RonMon,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as one of the resident GCA Scotsmen, I feel it incumbent upon me to correct the outright falsehood which someone has perpetrated here.
Hereby hangs the tale:
'Stoatin Brae' is no more Gaelic, than I am, for example, Spanish.


Your name is clearly Spanish. Your first name is Martin and your last name, Bonnar, is loosely translated as "Stiff Willie."
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 08:20:30 PM »
The word 'Stoatin' usually means nice, fine, great, as in "Hey 'Wullie, your burd's stoatin' which would translate as "I say, William, I do think your lady friend is jolly attractive". It can also mean 'bouncing', but not in this context.
A 'Brae' is quite simply a slope, as in "This brae is awfy steep!".


Already edited. A GCA denizen PM'd me this PM and gave me similar information.
RM
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Colin Macqueen

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2016, 09:06:09 PM »
Hoots mon!


Marty some blighters, on GCA and in the press, do play swift and loose with our venerable dialects don't they! Yours was a stoatin clarification but!!


Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

Tom_Doak

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2016, 09:14:33 PM »
Ronald:


It's a nice interview, although you didn't have anything from the fourth member of the foursome, Brian Slawnik.  Not to worry, he will be getting more than his share of recognition this summer, between Tara Iti and Forest Dunes, but the latter job kept him from being too involved at Gull Lake.


I am excited to see the course, hopefully sometime this spring so I can include it in my next volume of The Confidential Guide.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2016, 09:26:52 AM »
Thomas.


The fellows worked on this together, with Eric taking the lead. It was tricky to do it all via email, but they were tremendously cooperative. Something about Slawnick being not as available as the others, or often being in agreement with the others. I'll check my email


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checking


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Here it is: Brian Slawnik has been right back at it, doing some consulting work in Australia.  He had his hands full with Tom's Loop course at Forest Dunes, but I think we have represented our team dynamic well.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Bill_McBride

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2016, 10:09:39 AM »
RonMon,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as one of the resident GCA Scotsmen, I feel it incumbent upon me to correct the outright falsehood which someone has perpetrated here.
Hereby hangs the tale:
'Stoatin Brae' is no more Gaelic, than I am, for example, Spanish.


Your name is clearly Spanish. Your first name is Martin and your last name, Bonnar, is loosely translated as "Stiff Willie."


😜😜😜

jeffwarne

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2016, 11:06:23 AM »
Wonderful quote from Don Placek (on Stoatin Brae)

".....Two critical ingredients, found in spades on every single one of my most favorite courses around the world! They are….. enough fairway width to swing freely and comfortably at the golf ball in conjunction with what is often a complimentary golfing breeze. Strategic width doesn’t mean easy or dull, rather, it engages players to create angles that reward thoughtful play and shotmaking with enough room to recover and stay in the game even when you aren’t playing your best. I love playing golf and periodically in my life played quite well but it’s nearly impossible for anyone to play your best golf for 18 straight holes. And the courses that don’t beat you up when your swing isn’t in sync and permit you truly have fun when you are scraping it around are the best!! Because playing well is always fun, but having fun when you aren’t at your best is what the great courses do consistently...."

While I have heard Tom and his team(and other GCA greats) espouse similar thoughts before, that is about as concise and well stated as anything I've read before. And describes Tara Iti quite well also.


If only the powers that be, the "defenders of par" and course committees would grasp that this is indeed a "test" of golf, ANGC(formerly)and TOC being the poster children of this.


Or perhaps even more succinctly...

The opportunity to "play" the course rather than exerting all efforts to merely "stay" on the course

Congrats guys
« Last Edit: February 27, 2016, 11:15:02 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2016, 10:07:32 AM »
Jeff,


I'm glad that you picked that paragraph to cite. It was a task to get the three guys to put their words down, but absolutely worth it. That entire notion of playing rather than staying is central to the proper, positive golf experience.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Howard Riefs

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"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Niall C

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Re: Interview with Stoatin Brae Architectural Foursome (#NotDoak)
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2016, 06:48:52 AM »
So, it's still going to be called Stoatin Brae ?


Niall

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