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Bob Montle

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Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« on: February 16, 2016, 09:07:53 AM »
I’ve been enjoying reading posts by Armen Suny on his “Classic Minimalist Golf Course Architecture and Design” blog. 
I like what he and his cohorts have done as psychological warfare. 
Below are some excerpts. 
What are your thoughts?

“In 1980, we rebuilt several championship tees on East Course. Richie Valentine manipulated the slope of these tees. He believed that the greatest golfers in the world should be able to figure out the slope of a tee and adjust their shot accordingly. An example of what we did was the 15th Championship tee, which we put a 1% grade on from the right side to the left side, creating a hook lie on a hole that you probably want to hit a fade on since there is OB very close to the landing areas on the left side. The member tee was sloped 1% from the left side to the right side creating a fade lie to help the member stay in bounds.”

(For the Open) “In 1981, Richie Valentine had me pick up 18 rollers from the Merion Cricket Club. The rollers were 4 feet wide and were not real heavy and were never used on the course. But they were placed at the players' exit at each green. Richie wanted to "get into the player's heads." So every time a player walked off a green they had to pass by or almost step over a green's roller.”

Wicker flags at Merion: “The old wickers were all different heights. The set … ranged in height from 6.5 feet tall to 8 feet tall. The wickers were picked up every evening to prevent theft and replaced each morning as we did course setup. And as the guy that did that course setup most days, I created optical illusions as to the hole position on the greens by using different length poles for different effects. A short pin in the front of the green looked to be much deeper.”

I love it!!   ;D
"If you're the swearing type, golf will give you plenty to swear about.  If you're the type to get down on yourself, you'll have ample opportunities to get depressed.  If you like to stop and smell the roses, here's your chance.  Golf never judges; it just brings out who you are."

archie_struthers

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2016, 09:15:08 AM »
 8) 8)


I've heard many great Richie Valentine stories. Truly an iconic figure in golf.


Legend has it that the USGA felt the greens at Merion were getting too fast at the 1981 Open Championship played at Merion. They told super Valentine not to roll the greens any more because of this. Undeterred , legend has it that Richie put bricks in the baskets of the mowers on their early morning cuts . Not confirmed but often talked about in Philly golf circles .m

RDecker

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 04:52:09 PM »
Members at today's clubs would have a super fired for those types of shenanigans.  It's a shame that the game and its practitioners take themselves too seriously sometimes.

Nathan Gingrich

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 05:46:12 AM »
I am a superintendent and a single digit handicap and that is the kind of stuff that perpetuates thoughts that we are out to get the golfer when we do course setup or manage greens. I personally dislike the idea intensely. Somebody that is wasting thought on shorter flags or tees that are constructed anything but properly should probably be redirecting that thought towards improving something that is valuable like playing conditions or personnel management.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 05:52:42 AM »
If the examples mentioned above are indeed the kind of things he got up to I wonder what else he did that no one ever knew about or spotted!?


Anyone for a Greenkeepers Revenge golf tournament!?


Atb





archie_struthers

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 07:48:55 AM »
 8) ;D




Hey Nathan it's not just golf , it's fun.  Most of the things you read about here only affect the 1% , the rest of us sloggers  screw up on our own!

Bob Montle

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 08:08:27 AM »
On the first round I ever played in Scotland I was consistently overclubbing my approach shots. 
There were no yardage markers and I don't believe in using rangefinders. (Personal not purist reasoning.)

It wasn't until the next day that I realized the pins were all a foot or so shorter than I am used to in the states, making the greens appear more distant than they actually were.

I guess I'm not very observant!
"If you're the swearing type, golf will give you plenty to swear about.  If you're the type to get down on yourself, you'll have ample opportunities to get depressed.  If you like to stop and smell the roses, here's your chance.  Golf never judges; it just brings out who you are."

Tom Kelly

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2016, 09:14:53 AM »
1% fall across or up/down a tee is standard practice to allow surface drainage and prevent standing water. Which way depends on the surrounding ground so it doesn't stand out but often it's front to back and right to left. I'm pretty certain 99.5% of people wouldn't be able to tell which way the ground is falling, it has a negligible effect on a golfer. You stand say about 1.5m from the ball using a driver, this means 15mm difference between feet and ball. A slight divot or some inconsistent topdressing, a tee pressed in slightly further than usual or just soft ground meaning you compact the ground slightly where you stand will make just as much difference.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2016, 10:38:31 AM by Tom Kelly »

Kalen Braley

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Re: Course Superintendent's Psychological Warfare
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 11:40:57 AM »
I would agree that dirty Greens keepers hijinks seem a bit out of line....unless its the annual end of year tourney, but then everyone knows what their getting!!

I've always felt that architects who can incorporate these kinds of illusions into their design is a true mark of genius!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_hill

P.S.  I've never played Pebble, but have heard there are sections in several greens where putts seem to break uphill!

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