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jeffwarne

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2016, 11:36:23 AM »
Yeah Keith .Im not that long-yet.
4s a great hole, but I meant 5!
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2016, 03:38:17 PM »
Four pages and not one mention for the 6th at Los Angeles CC. What a fun hole. Can't wait to see what they do with this in the 2023 US Open.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2016, 04:13:16 PM »
Quote from: Jim Franklin on January 20, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
Four pages and not one mention for the 6th at Los Angeles CC. What a fun hole. Can't wait to see what they do with this in the 2023 US Open.


Walker Cup 2017, an earlier chance to see the hole in play!
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Ben Hollerbach

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2016, 04:43:23 PM »
After a quick scan, I don't believe anyone brought up the 13th at Lahinch. A seeming breather before the long stretch back to the clubhouse, the sub 300 yard 13th rarely provide rest to the weary player.
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2016, 08:23:49 AM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on January 20, 2016, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Franklin on January 20, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
Four pages and not one mention for the 6th at Los Angeles CC. What a fun hole. Can't wait to see what they do with this in the 2023 US Open.


Walker Cup 2017, an earlier chance to see the hole in play!

True Bill, thanks.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2016, 09:15:44 AM »
14 at Ganton and 18 at Kington have already been mentioned but both are great holes.

10 on Crail Craighead is a brilliant short par 4, made by a "pimple" in the green  which makes it essential to be on the right part of the green and a deep fronting bunker on the LHS and a pot short of the green threatening the shot drawn in from the right to avoid the fronting bunker.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2016, 11:30:51 AM »
Quote from: Jim Franklin on January 21, 2016, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Bill_McBride on January 20, 2016, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Franklin on January 20, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
Four pages and not one mention for the 6th at Los Angeles CC. What a fun hole. Can't wait to see what they do with this in the 2023 US Open.


Walker Cup 2017, an earlier chance to see the hole in play!

True Bill, thanks.


See you there?   Walker Cup is my favorite event to spectate. 
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2016, 01:28:11 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on January 21, 2016, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: Jim Franklin on January 21, 2016, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Bill_McBride on January 20, 2016, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Franklin on January 20, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
Four pages and not one mention for the 6th at Los Angeles CC. What a fun hole. Can't wait to see what they do with this in the 2023 US Open.


Walker Cup 2017, an earlier chance to see the hole in play!

True Bill, thanks.


See you there?   Walker Cup is my favorite event to spectate.

I wish. I just played LACC again for the first time since 2000 and the redo was remarkable. It was so much better than before and I loved what I saw before. I really thought #6 was fantastic. As much as the #10 Riviera is noted, I think I like #6 LACC better. It will be cool watching those guys attack the hole.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2016, 02:21:52 PM »
If you took any of the holes mentioned above and routed them into an an 18-hole course, well you'd have a damn fine par-72 course. Actually you'd probably have two or three damn fine courses.


In addition, if you cut back on some of there yardages and played most of them as par-3's you'd also have a bunch of really fine holes.


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Sam Krume

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2016, 04:43:43 PM »
8th at Crowborough Beacon. 314 off the Daisy's, 329 off the tips. Lovely secluded tee, gently rising uphill all the way to a wonderful original Mackenzie green wich has some wonderful movement in it.
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Scott McWethy

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2016, 08:49:29 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Dai on January 21, 2016, 02:21:52 PM
If you took any of the holes mentioned above and routed them into an an 18-hole course, well you'd have a damn fine par-72 course. Actually you'd probably have two or three damn fine courses.


In addition, if you cut back on some of there yardages and played most of them as par-3's you'd also have a bunch of really fine holes.


atb

Thomas, you are dead on.  I'd love to compile 18 of these fantastic holes brought up and think it would be a course everyone would love to play.  The short par 4 is the greatest hole type in golf IMO.
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KBanks

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #86 on: January 22, 2016, 12:53:30 PM »
 A favorite is Indian Creek #13. At 320 from the back and 305 from the member tees, it is a model cape hole which turns left. The second after any sort of drive is usually some sort of wedge, but to the extent you take on Biscayne Bay with the tee shot you're rewarded with a better angle into the well bunkered platform green. Big hitters can go straight at the green and hope to get up and down from a greenside bunker. Typically breezy conditions complicate matters. Superb short par four hole.

Ken
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BCrosby

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2016, 01:16:39 PM »
Scott -


Or how about a course of all half par holes? 3.5's and 4.5's.


Bob   
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2016, 01:40:42 PM »
Quote from: KBanks on January 22, 2016, 12:53:30 PM


Ken,

That is a neat hole.

It's a lot more challenging than the yardage would indicate.
That elevated green is challenging from any distance.

And as you state, the wind makes it more fun and challenging.

Hard to believe that a golfer had a hole in one there

 A favorite is Indian Creek #13. At 320 from the back and 305 from the member tees, it is a model cape hole which turns left. The second after any sort of drive is usually some sort of wedge, but to the extent you take on Biscayne Bay with the tee shot you're rewarded with a better angle into the well bunkered platform green. Big hitters can go straight at the green and hope to get up and down from a greenside bunker. Typically breezy conditions complicate matters. Superb short par four hole.

Ken
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Cob Carlson

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #89 on: January 22, 2016, 05:20:07 PM »
Donald Ross almost always has one or two great short par fours on his courses.


Two of my faves...


#2 at Brae Burn CC
#6 Plymouth CC
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Scott McWethy

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #90 on: January 22, 2016, 05:37:05 PM »
Quote from: BCrosby on January 22, 2016, 01:16:39 PM
Scott -


Or how about a course of all half par holes? 3.5's and 4.5's.


Bob   

Bob, I would be fine with that as well.  There would still be a lot of creativity with the holes.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #91 on: May 10, 2016, 07:18:49 AM »
Having played Glasgow Gailes for the first time on Friday, I'm pleased to see that Sean has listed the 9th there in this thread.  I thought it was a world class short par 4, with a green that is seriously difficult to hit from 30/40 yards.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #92 on: May 10, 2016, 07:45:19 AM »
Quote from: Mark Pearce on May 10, 2016, 07:18:49 AM
Having played Glasgow Gailes for the first time on Friday, I'm pleased to see that Sean has listed the 9th there in this thread.  I thought it was a world class short par 4, with a green that is seriously difficult to hit from 30/40 yards.

Will be there for the first time in 3 weeks. Will keep an eye out...
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Steven Blake

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #93 on: May 10, 2016, 08:46:13 AM »
I agree with the usual suspects. One that I haven't seen on anybodies list is #9 at Milwaukee Country Club. Great hole!
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Josh Tarble

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #94 on: May 10, 2016, 09:02:48 AM »
Quote from: Scott McWethy on January 21, 2016, 08:49:29 PM
Quote from: Thomas Dai on January 21, 2016, 02:21:52 PM
If you took any of the holes mentioned above and routed them into an an 18-hole course, well you'd have a damn fine par-72 course. Actually you'd probably have two or three damn fine courses.


In addition, if you cut back on some of there yardages and played most of them as par-3's you'd also have a bunch of really fine holes.


atb

Thomas, you are dead on.  I'd love to compile 18 of these fantastic holes brought up and think it would be a course everyone would love to play.  The short par 4 is the greatest hole type in golf IMO.

I think that would be a fun executive type course, just make every hole between 100 and 300 yards
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #95 on: May 10, 2016, 09:21:15 AM »
Quote from: Josh Tarble on May 10, 2016, 09:02:48 AM

I think that would be a fun executive type course, just make every hole between 100 and 300 yards


We talked about doing that for the next short course at Bandon.  However, the property was steep enough and narrow enough that par-4 holes [even 300-yarders] didn't really work well on most of it.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #96 on: May 10, 2016, 09:39:23 AM »
I think that was a blessing in disguise. I like the short 4 as much as the next guy, but I think the inherent "choice"  -- essentially an iron or a wood off the tee -- can get monotonous quite quickly, and I think the architect can get a titch lackadaisical, lulled into letting the concept/template carry the day instead of working extra hard to find/create great golf holes that, over the course of the round, also provide variety and rhythm. Now that I think of it, I guess I *don't* actually like the short 4 as much as others do -- I think an entire course comprised of nothing but short 4s would be a poor/boring golf course.
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Josh Tarble

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #97 on: May 10, 2016, 10:03:10 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on May 10, 2016, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: Josh Tarble on May 10, 2016, 09:02:48 AM

I think that would be a fun executive type course, just make every hole between 100 and 300 yards


We talked about doing that for the next short course at Bandon.  However, the property was steep enough and narrow enough that par-4 holes [even 300-yarders] didn't really work well on most of it.

That would have been pretty cool...different enough to separate itself from the preserve.  I think that's my issue with most standalone par 3 courses...people want to hit the driver!
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #98 on: May 10, 2016, 10:07:43 AM »
#15 at Rock Creek Cattle is another great short par 4.
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Scott McWethy

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Re: Your favorite par 4's under 325 yards
« Reply #99 on: May 10, 2016, 10:12:17 AM »
Quote from: Thomas Dai on January 21, 2016, 02:21:52 PM
If you took any of the holes mentioned above and routed them into an an 18-hole course, well you'd have a damn fine par-72 course. Actually you'd probably have two or three damn fine courses.


In addition, if you cut back on some of there yardages and played most of them as par-3's you'd also have a bunch of really fine holes.


atb

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