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Chris Mavros

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2016, 09:49:55 PM »
Raynor for me.  Whether I play well or not, I always enjoy myself on his courses and tend to appreciate the design more than I do with other courses for some reason.  MacKenzie would be next. 

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2016, 10:41:44 PM »
I'm so happy to read what others consider, before offering my own contribution.


Pasatiempo this November was my first Mackenzie course. I'd love to play more of his courses. I'd rank him and Colt (whose courses I've never played) at 1 and 1A, among the old dead guys.


Among the living, I would place Devries number one, as his small number almost insures a shot at a Kingsley, Greywalls or Cape Wickham. Following him would be Coore, Doak and Hanse at 2-2A-2B.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2016, 10:50:25 PM »
Crump


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Pat, color me green with intrigue. Why the "if not in California" caveat on Mackenzie?
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Martin Lehmann

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2016, 10:20:05 AM »
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2016, 03:42:11 PM »
Raynor -- to compare the course to my Raynor home course.


Second choice would be Mackenzie, because I've never played one.
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MClutterbuck

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2016, 04:07:01 PM »
Jason,
 
If the town wasn't in California, probably MacKenzie.


Assuming it is in the US...

Kalen Braley

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2016, 04:41:06 PM »
Jason,
 
If the town wasn't in California, probably MacKenzie.


Assuming it is in the US...

I guess this means Mucci thinks Pasa and CPC are chopped liver....

David Wuthrich

Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2016, 05:33:30 PM »
I would have to go with Raynor first.  I always enjoy his courses and wondering "what is next?".

Tilly would be a close second for me.

MClutterbuck

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2016, 10:53:30 PM »
Jason,
 
If the town wasn't in California, probably MacKenzie.

I believe he has played them, looking for new experiences...

Assuming it is in the US...

I guess this means Mucci thinks Pasa and CPC are chopped liver....

RJ_Daley

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2016, 11:49:22 PM »
A MacKenzie course...
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2016, 01:20:27 AM »
I'd have to think realistically here. Lots of Ross courses aren't what they used to be. It's more likely that an older architect's course would have deteriorated. Among modern folks, Pete Dye has some great ones, but a lot of duds, too.


So if the question is really about choosing a course solely by its architect, I'd go with a modern architect who does not produce duds and whose courses are uniformly kept to high standards—either Crenshaw and Coore or Tom Fazio.

Andrew Carr

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2016, 08:19:35 AM »
Let's phrase this another way, which of the following courses would you play first if given a one day invite:


Seminole
  • Northwood
  • Twin Hills
  • True Blue
  • Bulle Rock
  • Oak Hills
  • Blue Mound
  • Harrison Hills
  • Now swap in a whole new set of courses for the architects.  Does it change your answer?

    Honestly, I don't think I've ever had to make the choice that today I was going to play a Langford over a Tillinghast.  Its just not a real world question.  I may have opted between two particular courses, but the choice had very little to do with the overall portfolios of each of the architects.



Northwood!  What a fun and unique place!  Bulle Rock is great as well but for very different reasons.


I have an amusing, self-deprecating story about Bulle.  On the 202 Yard Par 3 7th hole, we had a strong wind into our face and I hit a 3 wood to about 8 feet.  My friend Rob hit his hybrid nearly on the road to the right.  He knocks his wedge to about 5 feet.  I miss, he makes and he turns to me in perfect timing and says: "that's why golf sucks."


My answer to the question is that I would choose the local C.B. Macdonald course completely out of personal preference, but my interpretation of the exercise is who built the most consistent, best quality courses.  For that we have to remove Ross and Tillie because many courses didn't receive their full attention and were subbed out.  Mackenzie and Macdonald have to rise towards the top given their limited portfolio relative to many designers and the quality, but as someone else pointed out Crump tops them all as he had a 100% success rate, even though some teachers might give him an incomplete...lol

Carl Nichols

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Re: Which architect's course do you choose?
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2016, 05:18:02 PM »
I'd have to think realistically here. Lots of Ross courses aren't what they used to be. It's more likely that an older architect's course would have deteriorated. Among modern folks, Pete Dye has some great ones, but a lot of duds, too.


So if the question is really about choosing a course solely by its architect, I'd go with a modern architect who does not produce duds and whose courses are uniformly kept to high standards—either Crenshaw and Coore or Tom Fazio.


Are there Raynors that are still open but in deteriorated shape? 

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