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John Kavanaugh

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Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« on: December 15, 2015, 09:17:43 AM »
In other words which course would you estimate is the last course on Golfweek's 2766 rater list. This is approximately 55 courses per state, most likely a course near you.


I was a member of Norwood Hills for a few years and figured it was at about 1500 so that can't be it. If you throw out Cary's rankings, which I'm sure they were, Lakota Canyon could be a possibility. but I'm going to stick with Illinois, a course I love and one mentioned on this site.  Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!


In Indiana I'm going to go with Indianapolis CC. It's a private with a nice set of greens that is difficult to access. Plus it's close to an airport.


These courses are not zero's, they are courses deserving study that don't stand a chance in hell of ever being ranked.

Phil McDade

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015, 09:52:26 AM »
I'm going to stick with Illinois, a course I love and one mentioned on this site.  Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!




One of the better true muni options in the greater Chicago area -- an original Foulis design, and a very good muni culture of regulars and quick play. Better value is hard to find nearby ($30/36 for 18, and annual season pass for @ $1,000).

JJShanley

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015, 10:05:59 AM »
I'm going to stick with Illinois, a course I love and one mentioned on this site.  Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!




One of the better true muni options in the greater Chicago area -- an original Foulis design, and a very good muni culture of regulars and quick play. Better value is hard to find nearby ($30/36 for 18, and annual season pass for @ $1,000).


Without wanting to either hijack this thread, or bring the master-rater/ranker debate to another thread, this sort of brief, concise, post demonstrates why the community we have here trumps (no pun intended) any poll that tends towards access-whoring.


I maintain an Excel sheet with courses that people have recommended I play, or which come up in threads here.  I consult it when I have a trip planned to some part of the country (Maryland, for example.)  This scheme prompted me to check out Angel's Crossing, which I will play monthly for as long as I live in north-central Indiana.  I pay my money, they let me play their course.


Word of mouth>Ratings.

BCowan

Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2015, 10:09:38 AM »
Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!

I got my marriage licenses in Waukegan this past summer.  If I had only known about this sooner i might of been able to of snuck in 18.  I have a good feeling about this one.  Could possibly be in included in the reversible book?     
« Last Edit: December 16, 2015, 10:53:30 AM by Ben Cowan (Michigan) »

astavrides

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2015, 12:44:47 PM »
In other words which course would you estimate is the last course on Golfweek's 2766 rater list.  If you throw out Cary's rankings, which I'm sure they were, Lakota Canyon could be a possibility..

I thought Cary and Betty hated Lakota Canyon. Matt Ward was the one who dug it.

Nigel Islam

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 12:51:15 PM »
John, how about Evansville Country Club? Indianpolis CC is probably too high on the list, but ECC has some neat stuff going on, an architect that only someone willing to play #2766 would have heard of, and it's the best course in the county (or if you disagree Cambridge also fits those criteria).

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2015, 12:58:33 PM »
John, how about Evansville Country Club? Indianpolis CC is probably too high on the list, but ECC has some neat stuff going on, an architect that only someone willing to play #2766 would have heard of, and it's the best course in the county (or if you disagree Cambridge also fits those criteria).


I'll give Evansville CC credit for being in the first Confidential Guide. I'd take the under on 2766 courses in the CG.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2015, 01:09:15 PM »
John, how about Evansville Country Club? Indianpolis CC is probably too high on the list, but ECC has some neat stuff going on, an architect that only someone willing to play #2766 would have heard of, and it's the best course in the county (or if you disagree Cambridge also fits those criteria).


ECC!


I did not really appreciate the movie Caddshack until I worked at Evansville CC for two years in the early 80s.


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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2015, 01:16:17 PM »
The first time I played ECC was after I joined in 1990 or so, after the Kern remodel. I was there when they were doing an extensive remodel of the clubhouse. When the head pro shows my wife and I the proposed plans she sees the large ball room and asks the pro why this club needs so many balls? Lucky for me, I was already in. I had some great years there but never quite fit in the in crowd.

Buck Wolter

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2015, 02:19:14 PM »
Gateway National just outside St Louis -- stuck between a landfill, a rendering plant and a racetrack on a brownfield reclaim with 5 ft of total elevation change on the site. Keith Foster was the Architect and he did a great job with it-- should be in the Top 10 Illinois publics from what I've seen.
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

Bill_McBride

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2015, 10:14:15 PM »
Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!

I got my marriage licenses in Waukegan this past summer.  If I had only known about this sooner i might of been able to of snuck in 18.  I have a good feeling about this one.  Could possibly be in included in the reversible book?   


You're a polygamist?

BCowan

Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2015, 10:21:54 PM »
Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!

I got my marriage licenses in Waukegan this past summer.  If I had only known about this sooner i might of been able to of snuck in 18.  I have a good feeling about this one.  Could possibly be in included in the reversible book?   


You're a polygamist?

I don't understand Bill?  Help me please

SL_Solow

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2015, 11:03:13 PM »
Ben;  you said licenses, not license.  Bill was being funny

BCowan

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2015, 11:07:38 PM »
Oh, ha.  Good one...

Matt Glore

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2015, 10:46:22 AM »
LaTour Golf Club in Mathews Louisiana, David Toms Design.  Probably the 12 best ranked in LA in the polls. Easily could be top 5 if it was properly rated.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2015, 10:59:00 AM »
If 10 States get 100 courses each that leaves over 40 courses for every other State. We aren't going deep enough.

JC Jones

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2015, 11:27:54 AM »
Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!

I got my marriage licenses in Waukegan this past summer.  If I had only known about this sooner i might of been able to of snuck in 18.  I have a good feeling about this one.  Could possibly be in included in the reversible book?   


You're a polygamist?

FDR was a polygamist.  That's why he's on the backside of Mt Rushmore and not the front.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2015, 07:08:43 AM »
In other words which course would you estimate is the last course on Golfweek's 2766 rater list. This is approximately 55 courses per state, most likely a course near you.


I was a member of Norwood Hills for a few years and figured it was at about 1500 so that can't be it. If you throw out Cary's rankings, which I'm sure they were, Lakota Canyon could be a possibility. but I'm going to stick with Illinois, a course I love and one mentioned on this site.  Bonnie Brook in Waukegan, Illinois.  It deserves to be studied!!!


In Indiana I'm going to go with Indianapolis CC. It's a private with a nice set of greens that is difficult to access. Plus it's close to an airport.


These courses are not zero's, they are courses deserving study that don't stand a chance in hell of ever being ranked.


I've had 10 years to reflect on Lakota Canyon, 8 years since I've struck a golf ball, about the same number of yers since Tiger Woods has won a Major, so Tiger and I have had a lot of time to reflect on things we've said in the past.


At dinner the other nite at "Woods", Tiger's new restaurant,  Tiger and I sat down between 2 hot blondes in partially revealing outfits to reflect on the past, 2 multiple back surgery victims, 2 x golfers, and he asked me about how I dealt with the loss of golf and whether it depressed me.


I told Tiger that the "Woods" eatery blew away Lakota Canyon for eye candy. Granted land formations were always a turn on for me: Hills, valley's, depressions, halfway houses to grab a quick snack, but at the "Woods" sitting at the bar were real live, breathing works of art that blew away any course I've ever played.


I told Tiger he was a "genius" and his creative ability to create a work of art, in his first attempt, in the unlikely place of Jupiter, Florida was brilliant and I must now dethrone Lakota Canyon and replace with a superior venue.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2015, 07:10:41 AM by cary lichtenstein »
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2015, 05:51:04 PM »
Jeez, is there no humor?
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Joe Hancock

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2015, 07:53:33 PM »
Jeez, is there no humor?

Most often, when you have to ask that question, the answer is "no".
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2015, 08:02:41 PM »
Ok if ECC is too high to be #40 in Indiana then I'm throwing Christmas Lake out as #2766. John this is actually a fascinating exercise, but your premise should be "What is the 40th course in your state?"

Nigel Islam

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2015, 08:06:04 PM »
My nominee for Kentucky's #40 course is Seneca in Louisville

BCowan

Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2015, 08:23:05 PM »
I'll nominate Washtenaw CC for Michigan #40

Nigel Islam

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2015, 11:09:57 PM »
My nominee for Kentucky's #40 course is Seneca in Louisville


Another Ky nominee I thought of: Hopkinsville CC. Worth the play if you ever find yourself in the home of Steve Gorman.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Your best 2766 courses back to front...
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2015, 09:54:02 AM »
I just might be visiting the 2766th best course in the country this Christmas Eve. Vero Beach Country Club. Florida is probably one of the States with 100 nominees given the warm weather and relatives that got to be visited. I'll nominate where Dad lives, that's the ticket.


I wonder if Governor's Run in Carlyle, Illinois is on the list.  It would be a nice distraction from a visit to the lake. I've never played there, or been on the lake, but have heard rave reviews. From the lake crowd, that is.

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