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Matt_Cohn

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Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« on: December 18, 2015, 08:54:33 PM »
Setting: San Diego area, so there's an emphasis on minimal turf area. Everything outside of short grass is "native", i.e. pretty much sand/dirt and some grasses with the bushes/etc. mostly removed within 10 yards or so of the fairways and greens.

Property: Gentle slope, elevation change around 40 feet (see numbers in boxes around sides of drawing). The paper size, relative to the scale I use, works out to 126 acres. It's small, so please cut be a bit of slack relative to spacing and also things like a maintenance area.

General Notes: Yeah, I know it's semi-meaningless without the greens, but indulge me. Dots are 300 yards from the back tees except on the three par-4's under 400 yards and the par-5's, where they're 100 yards from the center of the green. Number 12 is meant to be drivable much of the time but can play at a non-drivable length.


Yardages (from the longest tees, not meant to all be used at once):
Front Nine: 460, 450, 470, 275(3), 580, 475, 395, 200, 595 = 3900 (36)
Back Nine: 435, 480, 370, 180, 450, 395, 195, 600, 470 = 3,575 (35)
Total: 7,475 (71)


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Tyler Kearns

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Re: Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2015, 11:45:13 PM »
Matt,


I like how you've got a few clusters of greens in close proximity to one another to the NE of the driving range, kind of like the stretch of green (1,2, 4 & 5) at Kingsley.  I enjoy watching others playing the course when I'm golfing, so I appreciate this touch and further, getting previews of future hole locations etc. is a nice advantage for the attentive golfer.  Of course, safety is always paramount.  It looks a little dicey if you've got players teeing off the back tees on holes No. 12 & 15 at the same time.


My other concern would be the carries required of golfers playing the forward tees to reach the fairways on every hole, but that isn't a routing issue, just need to add some fairway acreage.  When looking at your stick routing, I didn't like the repetitive east-west routing of holes No. 2 through 7, but I like how you've drawn them.  I think you've varied the line of play enough to keep it interesting and have players challenge a greater variety of wind directions.


Nice job.


TK




Matt_Cohn

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Re: Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2015, 03:04:48 PM »
Only one reply?  :'(

Peter Pallotta

Re: Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2015, 05:02:31 PM »
Matt - I hope you don't take the lack of response as a criticism, or take it to heart. My guess is that the reason lies in so few of us feeling that we're in any way competent to judge. To my untrained eye, it definitely looks smartly done; but I'm not sure that's worth anything at all, and I can't confidently say anything more -- good, bad or indifferent. And what if I and other posters come back with a range of suggestions/changes? I think that would only tell you about what we would try to do if we could, and wouldn't really say anything of value about what you have done here. (In many years of working with other creative types, I can't tell you how few of them seem to know the difference between "this doesn't work" and "I don't like this".)  I think it's important to remember that you are the one with the talent, and that if you have satisfied yourself first and foremost that the work is good then that's enough. In fact, that might be a great exercise, i.e. you tell us what you think works particularly well in your routing, and why.
Best
Peter 
   

Lyndell Young

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Re: Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2015, 05:40:08 PM »
Hi Matt, My first observation is of the teeing ground.If you created more tees and angled them away from hazards you can give the back tees more to carry and tougher angles.As you move forward less and less carry and more open fairway creating a more playable course for shorter hitters/higher hcp.Also on par threes you can create alot of variety with more tees from diff angles which are inexpensive to build. Overall I like your bunker placement and routing JMHO

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2015, 06:11:00 PM »
Hi Matt, My first observation is of the teeing ground.If you created more tees and angled them away from hazards you can give the back tees more to carry and tougher angles.As you move forward less and less carry and more open fairway creating a more playable course for shorter hitters/higher hcp.Also on par threes you can create alot of variety with more tees from diff angles which are inexpensive to build. Overall I like your bunker placement and routing JMHO


Yeah, that's a good point. I suppose it's a spot where I get a little lazy. Thanks.  ;D

Lester George

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Re: Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2015, 05:47:40 PM »
Impossible to objectively judge without topography.  Do you have that?

Lester

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Evaluate My Drawing (the somethingth in an occasional series)
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 05:07:49 PM »
Impossible to objectively judge without topography.  Do you have that?

Lester


Only the little note I put in my first post under "Property". Elevations in feet relative to the low point on the property.

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