On which course and why would the Tiger vs Jack fantasy match best be set?

[John Kavanaugh]

I don't believe a tight driving course like Pine Valley would be interesting at all.  Jack would kill.  My choice would be Riviera because it's the one great course where neither has a history of winning.


The opposite of course being Augusta where they both have positive histories. Too cliche for me.


Has or could architecture have a (bear)ing on who may be our greatest champion of all time?

[BCowan]

Lookout mtn

[John Kavanaugh]

Lookout mtn

Another course I have walked. Why Lookout Mountain? Do Tiger and Jack have a history at Raynor courses.

[Jason Thurman]

Ballyneal. Let the game's two greatest strategists duel it out on a course that offers the extra dimension of choosing which tee to play from on each hole.

[John Kavanaugh]

Ballyneal. Let the game's two greatest strategists duel it out on a course that offers the extra dimension of choosing which tee to play from on each hole.

That would be perfect if it were set in 1972 and someone could teach a young Doak some manners.

[Peter Pallotta]

JK - I know I'm assuming that architecture plays a role in identifying the greats, since any 'playoff' amongst them would, for me, include only the professional grand slam winners; they'd have to have proven their ability to win the big ones on every style of course and in all conditions. Next, for the test you had in mind, I couldn't go with either The Old or with Augusta, or with any course where either Jack or Tiger won a major. I think I'd pick Paul C's course in Cabo.

[Jim_Kennedy]

ANGC.

[John Kavanaugh]

ANGC

From what year and why?

[Jim_Kennedy]

ANGC

From what year and why?

1966, right after it was Jack-proofed.
 

[John Kavanaugh]

I love Jack from my golf balls to my head covers and for that reason I would choose Oakmont in 1962 form.  Besides being perhaps the greatest championship venue of all time, Jack already beat Arnie in a playoff on the exact layout.

[John Kavanaugh]

ANGC

From what year and why?

1966, right after it was Jack-proofed.

Interesting link to the 66 Masters.  Can't believe Jack got into a playoff at even par. And they say people handed Tiger majors.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Masters_Tournament

[Kalen Braley]

Thanks for running with my idea, JK....I didn't want to be the one to start another Tiger thread... 

But since you have, I still stand with Pine Valley.  The penal nature would require Tiger to go more conservative off the tee and negate his massive distance advantage.

If not Pine valley, my next pick would be Pebble....Agreed, ANGC is too cliché...

[JJShanley]

What equipment would we allow the competitors to use? 

[Kalen Braley]

What equipment would we allow the competitors to use?

Whatever they want....as long as it conforms to current USGA rules.  Let them pick and choose.

Imagine how bad Tiger would burn up if Jack beat him with an old persimmons wood!!

[John Kavanaugh]

What equipment would we allow the competitors to use?

They would use the equipment of the day and time the match is played.  Interestingly enough when Tiger won his first Masters in 97 many in the field were still using persimmon.  I specifically remember seeing Davis Love and Justin Leonard. 


This of course may result in differing course conditions as well even though Tiger never had any issues overseas.  I would think Jack could putt slower greens better.

[Kalen Braley]

The bigger question to me would be...which set of tees would you have them play from.

Tiger is used to playing long tracks, if you put Jack on a 7400+ yard track like the current Torrey Pines, it'd get in his head.

[John Kavanaugh]

Kalen,


I'm in a seasonal business whose season is just over. What's your excuse for posting on every thread? It's time for my hour on the treadmill...why don't we both give everyone a break?

[BCowan]

Lookout mtn

Another course I have walked. Why Lookout Mountain? Do Tiger and Jack have a history at Raynor courses.

Jkava,

    Both are the greatest pressure putters of all time.  Lookout mtn has been voted on here toughest greens to read.  It's the perfect venue for neither has history w Raynor.  It's time Raynor is given his due.  He's been in the shadows too long....

[Mark Bourgeois]

Royal Melbourne 1974 or TPC Sawgrass 1982. With equipment available in that respective year.

Both at their prime drivin' and puttin'. But let's see who's really got game upstairs. That's what match play is all about. Oh, and make it best 2 of 3, and for an enormous sum of money, big enough to induce choking.

[Daniel Jones]

Firestone, say 1999. Jack won the PGA there, Tiger won basically everything else. The inspiring views from the blimp alone make this the easy choice.

[Jason Thurman]

If it was a boxing match, I think the equipment agreement would be one of the easiest parts of the contract to hammer out. The Tour's move to graphite shafts and 460cc drivers was one of the worst breaks Tiger ever got in his career.

[Jim Sherma]

The Old Course - a little toasted on the edges for some run - Titleist Professional balls and if not persimmon than nothing past a Titleist 975D driver technology.

Purest course for strategy and mentally dealing with uncertain outcomes. Both would feel comfortable in their primes yet also know the other feels that way as well.

[Alex Miller]

Pebble Beach would work well. Not too many changes to that one either (except for the hole that Jack built!)

[JJShanley]

What equipment would we allow the competitors to use?

Whatever they want....as long as it conforms to current USGA rules.  Let them pick and choose.

Imagine how bad Tiger would burn up if Jack beat him with an old persimmons wood!!

We need equity in equipment here.  Does Jack get to wear performance shirts that didn't reach the market until our time?  Gatorade v. Water?  Can Of Worms CC...

[Kalen Braley]

What equipment would we allow the competitors to use?

Whatever they want....as long as it conforms to current USGA rules.  Let them pick and choose.

Imagine how bad Tiger would burn up if Jack beat him with an old persimmons wood!!

We need equity in equipment here.  Does Jack get to wear performance shirts that didn't reach the market until our time?  Gatorade v. Water?  Can Of Worms CC...

once again, this is an easy one in my mind.

Let them use whatever they want and are most comfortable with...  Whether it be gear, clubs, caddy, teacher, drinks, you name it!!