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Mark_Rowlinson

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Railways and golf courses
« on: December 01, 2015, 11:07:22 AM »
The thread on Royal Lytham and its neighbouring railway has made me nostalgic. I've been thinking about that particular railway in the days of steam, of restored railway engines hauling specials on the Llandudno Junction-Llandudno line past Maesdu and North Wales, of Southern electrics speeding through Liphook, of commuter and goods trains passing within feet of the 11th green at Royal Troon. Sadly I never visited St Andrews when the branch line from Leuchars was still in operation. I recall seeing as a small boy trains threading the line beside Royal County Down, although in those days I didn't even know what golf was. Sheringham, West Hill, Formby, Clitheroe, West Cornwall....there are so many. Nor are they confined to the British Isles: Royal Adelaide, for instance.


I should be delighted to see your photographs of railways and golf courses, especially any you may have from the glory days of steam.
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Benjamin Litman

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2015, 11:22:24 AM »
Mark, do you want photographs only, or may I use your thread to post many of the fabulous vintage golf travel posters published by the railways back in the glory days?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2015, 11:27:12 AM »
How soon we forget...Chambers Bay, US Open 2015



« Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 01:30:40 PM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Railways and golf courses
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2015, 11:50:14 AM »
Benjamin,


Of course! There are many wonderfully evocative railway posters.


Thanks,


Mark.
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Mark_Rowlinson

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2015, 12:08:01 PM »



Here is a photo of Camden CC send by Brent Hutto, recently of GCA. Apparently a ball landing on the tracks is out of bounds, but a ball clearing the tracks is in bounds on an adjacent hole!
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Benjamin Litman

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2015, 12:38:41 PM »
Thanks, Mark. There are so many vintage posters, but so few with actual railroads or rail cars in them, that instead of clogging your thread with off-topic pictures, and to avoid copyright issues, I'll simply link to a Google search in case people are interested: https://www.google.com/search?q=golf+railway+posters&biw=1024&bih=706&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo1JXmlrvJAhUFFR4KHSrAB0g4FBD8BQgyKAE#
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Sean_A

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2015, 01:07:22 PM »




Ciao
« Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 01:09:39 PM by Sean_A »
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2015, 01:37:08 PM »
13th at Indian Canyon.

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Paul Dolton

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2015, 01:38:16 PM »
Hi Sean is the second picture Seascale G C ?
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Thomas Dai

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2015, 01:44:50 PM »

Sheringham and Seascale?

Some others -


Aberdovey - especially the 16th hole
Ashburnham - behind the 1st green
Royal Troon - particularly the 11th
Prestwick - notably the 1st
Royal St David's - across the line to the clubhouse
Formby - by the Clubhouse

Royal Aberdeen (& possible Murcar) - once upon a time used to be reached by a light railway
Cruden Bay - once upon a time a light branch from the mainline


A stream train rolling by doesn't half make a racket. "Toot, toot!" and all that.


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Carl Johnson

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2015, 12:28:03 PM »
Those really interested in the subject might want to take a look at this older thread: http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,39183.0.html
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 09:52:01 PM by Carl Johnson »
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Sam Andrews

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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2015, 02:25:57 PM »
This reminds me I must get down to Cooden Beach again one day
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Matthew Sander

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2015, 02:36:50 PM »



The 14th at Beverly CC in Chicago, with a train passing in the background. The railway line runs north-south along the course's western boundary.


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MCirba

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2015, 03:36:24 PM »
Hardly a great photo, but this 1928 view of the original par three 12th at Cobb's Creek Golf Course with an island green does have the requisite train passing by. 

« Last Edit: December 02, 2015, 03:54:37 PM by MCirba »
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Thomas Dai

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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2015, 03:41:48 PM »
Are two of the photos on the other thread referenced above Arbroath and Stonehaven?


Some UK others -


Blackwell - alongside the 10th and 11th
Castlerock - alongside the 3rd, 4th and 5th
Goswick (Berwick-upon-Tweed) - level crossing to reach the course
Monifieth - numerous holes
Carnoustie - various
Invergordon - various


Whittington Heath - new HS2 line - as a golfer and WHGC fan, hopefully not!


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Bill_McBride

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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2015, 04:13:19 PM »
Another US course with a train line down the length of one boundary is the Aiken (S.C.) Golf Club.  This fun 1925 course was the surprise hit of a Dixie Cup not too long ago.   The next day Camden Golf Club also included a rail line, this time through the course splitting a couple of holes off from the rest. 
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David_Tepper

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2015, 05:08:26 PM »
The Thurso-Inverness rail line runs alongside the 10th tee at Brora.
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2015, 05:10:19 PM »
Could be worse..  ;D

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Mark_Rowlinson

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2015, 01:04:02 PM »



West Cornwall (in the days of colour slides, hence the grainy and dirty image)
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Duncan Cheslett

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2015, 03:27:36 PM »
My immediate thought was Pleasington, which has a busy railway line dividing the course.





Here is a video of a steam train roaring past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdK27g-_-1Y

Golfers have always had to use a level crossing to get from one side of the course to the other, but the club has for H&S reasons recently built a bridge and remodelled the course to accommodate it.



Here's a fascinating video on how to build a bridge over a railway line running through a golf course!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfzWaNUfZlo



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Matt Frey, PGA

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2015, 04:11:57 PM »
North Hills in Glenside, Pennsylvania (a wonderful golf course), has a SEPTA track that runs right along a few of the holes, most notably No. 17. Unfortunately, I don't have a photo of a train on the tracks, passing by.


My first apartment in the Philadelphia has an executive golf course located on site: Meadowbrook in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania. The course isn't much, especially since it's so overgrown. There is a SEPTA track that runs along Nos. 1-3 and No. 14. I happened to get a short clip of a passing train this summer, via Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/3HV06Nl-rt/
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BCrosby

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2015, 08:34:25 AM »
A railway line runs along the right side of one of the most controversial (for a time) holes in the history of golf architecture - the 4th at Woking.


Bob 
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Niall C

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2015, 08:42:14 AM »
I'm pretty sure that the line that goes by Troon and Prestwick also bounds Troon Portland, Troon Lochgreen, Kilmarnock Barassie, Dundonald, Western Gailes, Glasgow Gailes and Irvine Bogside. Not a bad collection.


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BCrosby

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2015, 09:53:22 AM »
Niall -


I love the thought that so many great courses might be linked by the same rail line, but I was told that the tracks along the 4th at Woking are the main line between London and Southampton as well as serving various local commuter trains. Or was I misinformed?


Bob
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Adam Lawrence

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2015, 10:37:05 AM »
There's a railway line crosses the Palmares course in Portugal. I've never seen a train on it mind.
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