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RJ_Daley

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Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« on: November 01, 2015, 08:10:49 AM »
Well, I am back from my epic journey to fill the life bucket list and fill in gaps in my interest in search of golf course architecture and maintenance practices.   I have come to admit and realize certain capabilities, skills and education are required, some of which I will never acquire. 

I have spent the last 5 weeks traveling in a dual motive of seeking out lifelong desires to experience the "old sod" of Irish and Scottish 'home of golf' venues.   And, revisit family relatives at my ancestoral home in Italy. 

I fully intended to complete course and photo tours upon return home, as so many of our GCA.com contributors have done over the years as they visit interesting golf courses and do photo and commentary through the holes of their experience.  In deed I have done such in the past to a far less degree of quality as some of our GCA.com all star reviewers.   :)

I will in coming weeks make a feeble attempt to offer some photo tours and comments on what I had experienced along my path through Ireland and Scotland.  Of course, some of my golf rounds at certain courses have already been reviewed well by knowledgeable and competent golf writers here on GCA.com.   I will probably offer cursory personal impressions on those often covered high profile courses.  Pretty much everything has been said of places like TOC.  I will try to do a decent overview of Leven Links, which now that I've experienced and by comparison to other courses I've played that are GCA.com darlings, does not get enough credit for how enjoyable the layout design of Leven is to fulfill a desire to seek out excellent local golf opportunities. 

But the realization does and has occurred to me in the past as I've made these golf odyssey efforts of travel and playing multiple courses.....  a photographic memory is required along with some playing talent, neither of which I possess.   If it weren't for the multitude of photos/videos I take along the path of the rounds as I proceed, yardage books and Google Earth, I would be lost in space amidst the panoply of golf design features and characteristics, natural and created on multiple courses played on such a trip. 

Then, the issue for me becomes overkill of photos.  I literally have over 1000 pics taken thoughout the 3 weeks of golf, not to mention the 1000s of non golf, culture and touristic pictures taken along the way. 

Combine that with 2 weeks of intense non-golf sojourn in Italia, speaking complex subjects with a 4 year old Italian vocabulary language skill, and well..... my brain is fried!   ::) :o ;D

But in a good way.

My hat is off to those that do have these photographic quality memories to recount a once around examination of a significant golf course to then report and recount the salient features of the GCA encountered.  Of course people like Tom Doak, and Ran Morrisett are poster boys for this sort of skill to encounter, absorb and recount the features along with the obvious skill and actual knowledge of the subject at hand.

For my part, I feel I am reasonably well qualified from previous efforts to study GCA from many of the relevant readings of many of the heralded books on the subject, self study and participation in GCSAA seminars and long time hobbiest interest in turf management,  self initiated golf course development efforts, and general long time participation in GCA.com.  I have had to learn something along the way!  ::) ;D

Yet, my personal abilities are just not that good to just begin a thread to recount one course or another among 12.5 played along the way without taking much more time to organize photos and recall thoughts on particular holes.  Hell, I can't remember which hole on TOC I saw which things that struck me as something I hadn't realized before, despite all the years of reading.  I have to go back and look at pics I took to bring those sort of things to mind on the correct hole and sequence of play.  Not to mention I rarely hit the ball where I recognize is the desired play and shot for me.  My caddie at TOC really helped me to enjoy the playing attempts and even with some success! 

So, to conclude;  I ask if others feel they do or do not have the skills, memory, and depth of prior study to actually go on one of these golf odysseys and do justice to recounting the GCA encountered?  Which aspect of these personal talents and skills do you feel is most essential to getting and sharing the most of such a trip?   

And, do you think too much golf, too many courses in too short of a time can be overdone.  What number of courses per week or two week time frame is your number.  Or, is it best to stick to two or three and replay them multiple times?

Your thoughts?
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Rick Emerson

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Re: Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2015, 09:13:12 AM »
This is an excellent topic. I have been trying to write a blog about playing golf in China because I was unhappy with the lack of commentary on courses here. I have been on three great trips this year and have now played around 20 courses and I've only been able to review 3 of them thus far with two more currently in revision. The problem is I want to do the best review possible, do my job well, and be a good Dad to my 4 and 6 year old. Now I'm in a tough spot. I took a trip to Mission Hills Haikou and played 9 of 10 courses in 4 days with a plan for a huge write up of the entire resort and all the courses. I went in June and it is now November and I just finished reviewing courses from a trip in February. Now I don't even know if I remember well enough. I guess I need to write copious notes in the evening after each days play. I'd be interested to know what system Tom, Ran, and others use to help them remember for their writing on courses.

Sean_A

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Re: Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2015, 09:13:22 AM »
Dick


I wouldn't worry about the flotsam and jetsam of it all...just give it a go.  I am sure you have something worthwhile to relate.  If you feel overwhelmed why not just give us thoughts and a few pix on the holes which turned your head?  Perhaps that will lead to a more extensive tour of a few of the courses.  I can see it now

Dick's Design Dalliance or Smitten For Britain


For me, too many courses condensed in a short period of time is definitely not how I want to play.  I get bored with golf after about 3-4 rounds on the trot and could not fathom the idea of playing golf for a few weeks straight. Jeepers, just being on the road for a two weeks straight is something which doesn't appeal.


Ciao
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2015, 09:21:04 AM »
Dick, I'm confident you will liven up your tours with just the right application of your Irish wit and sense of humor!  No need to post a jillion photos of courses, hit the highlights and tell us why you enjoyed playing the courses you liked best.


I agree about Leven, it's under played and under rated.  Is that not the strongest finishing hole in that part of the world, other than maybe Carnoustie?

Peter Pallotta

Re: Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 09:34:33 AM »
RJ - I'm very glad you got the chance to visit your two ancestral homes: the one of your body and soul (Italy) and the one of your mind and spirit (GB&I). You're doing it right!

I'm not good at all with such things, so I defer to Sean. To quote (non-golfer) CS Lewis: "What a man sees and hears has a lot to do with where he is standing, but it has even more to do with the kind of man he is".

Which is to say: What you will share with us will be a reflection of who you are -- and that's more than good enough.

Tuo fratello Italiano, e amico Canadese,
chi attende con gioia a leggere di il vostro viaggio.
Pietro Giuseppe Pallotta

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Steve Lang

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Re: Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2015, 10:33:18 AM »
 8)  Dick,


Your posts have always been excellent at communicating thoughts and I wouldn't be so self critical, give me your ideas like we're walking around playing 9 at Dismal Red again!   What are your take away impressions of each course in one or two sentences, tease me with some pictures (2-4 pics of each 18 holes of a course are not really necessary) and memorable holes, use other pics later to embellish a point.  Get it out of your mind via those fingers, if only in outline form, and it'll key other thoughts later. 


Its not a competition, think exposition!




PS how far are you from Fon Du Lac?  I have neice playing hockey for Marian Univ.  and we may head up for game this winter..   
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Jason Topp

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Re: Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2015, 02:07:35 PM »
So, to conclude;  I ask if others feel they do or do not have the skills, memory, and depth of prior study to actually go on one of these golf odysseys and do justice to recounting the GCA encountered?  Which aspect of these personal talents and skills do you feel is most essential to getting and sharing the most of such a trip?   

And, do you think too much golf, too many courses in too short of a time can be overdone.  What number of courses per week or two week time frame is your number.  Or, is it best to stick to two or three and replay them multiple times.

Your thoughts?

I have attempted your quest in all variety of ways in my attempts at Topp's Travels and am certain I do not know the best approach.  For travel purposes, I have learned that I enjoy playing fewer courses repeatedly rather than trying to see everything under the sun.  Give me a few days at Lawsonia in the fall or at Cabo del Sol in the winter and I am perfectly content.

As far as discussing them here, I think the formula is the one that seems most interesting to you.  Approaches vary wildly, from Richard Choi's in depth analysis of Chambers Bay to Sean Arble's winter tours, to Pat Mucci's description of particular features that catch his interest, to Bill Schultz's pairings of "worst holes" and pictures of women.  I pretty much always click on those threads even though their approach could not be more different from each other.

I never have found a format that works perfectly for me.   Some of my most extensive efforts that I thought were the most insightful generated little commentary whereas some of my most inane sparked interesting conversation.

Tim Gallant

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Re: Odysseys in search of GCA, you may need...
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2015, 03:21:19 PM »
RJ - I'm very glad you got the chance to visit your two ancestral homes: the one of your body and soul (Italy) and the one of your mind and spirit (GB&I). You're doing it right!

I'm not good at all with such things, so I defer to Sean. To quote (non-golfer) CS Lewis: "What a man sees and hears has a lot to do with where he is standing, but it has even more to do with the kind of man he is".

Which is to say: What you will share with us will be a reflection of who you are -- and that's more than good enough.

Tuo fratello Italiano, e amico Canadese,
chi attende con gioia a leggere di il vostro viaggio.
Pietro Giuseppe Pallotta


Prego Dick,


Com'è andato il tuo viaggio? Come Signor Pallotta, vorrei a capire le cose piu interessante dai campi di golf che hai giocato. I hope your brain isn't too fried! :)