[Ru Macdonald]

Yesterday I made my first visit to the site of the proposed Keiser course, two minutes outside Dornoch. By sheer coincidence Mike Keiser was also making a site visit! Over a beer he shared with me a bunch of insight for his plans which are at the feasibility stage.
http://scottishgolfpodcast.com/coore-crenshaw-coul-links-update/

[Niall C]

Ru


Exciting news that perhaps confounds some of the cynics on the previous thread. I'll be interested to hear how his team gets on with the authorities, particularly in light of the Trump shambles and Keisers own hamfisted way of dealing with the local authorities on his proposed course along the coast from Bandon that was mentioned in another thread.


Did Keiser say he had bought the ground ?


Niall

[Adam Lawrence]

Bill was in Dornoch at the end of September.

[David_Tepper]

No clubhouse, no hotel, no housing. Just a starter's shack. Very interesting.

[Michael Graham]

Exciting news. Looking forward to hearing more as details are released.


The initial plans would would see golfers shuttled by bus between Royal Dornoch and the Coul Links with reservations made via Royal Dornoch Golf Club.


That sounds like a very sensible plan. Keep things as streamlined as possible. In time, I imagine if visiting golfers are going to venture that far north they are going to play both courses. Making the booking process and transport as smooth as possible can only encourage more golfers to make the journey.

[JJShanley]

Well that's my father's 75th birthday trip sorted in 2020.

[Michael Graham]

Well that's my father's 75th birthday trip sorted in 2020.

JJ,


Without meaning to hijack the thread. Is your avatar picture a photo of one of the entrances to the Braid Hills just up from and on the other side of the road from the Braid Hills Hotel?


Michael

[Ru Macdonald]

I believe the landowner is leasing it (99 years)

Ru


Exciting news that perhaps confounds some of the cynics on the previous thread. I'll be interested to hear how his team gets on with the authorities, particularly in light of the Trump shambles and Keisers own hamfisted way of dealing with the local authorities on his proposed course along the coast from Bandon that was mentioned in another thread.


Did Keiser say he had bought the ground ?


Niall

[Thomas Dai]

To clarify the precise location could someone with the necessary computer skills outline the area that is under discsussion here!


This might assist - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.9132799,-3.9933456,14z/data=!3m1!1e3


Atb

[Ian Mackenzie]

To clarify the precise location could someone with the necessary computer skills outline the area that is under discsussion here!


This might assist - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.9132799,-3.9933456,14z/data=!3m1!1e3


Atb

The property starts just north of Embo and  - for the golf course - it resembles a "pork chop" and goes all the way to the tidal inlet across from Little Ferry to the north.


If you see the small road just west of the beach, that is the western boundary for the course.

[Daniel Jones]

Well done, Ru. Look forward to seeing where this goes from here..

[Thomas Dai]

To clarify the precise location could someone with the necessary computer skills outline the area that is under discsussion here!
This might assist - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.9132799,-3.9933456,14z/data=!3m1!1e3
Atb

The property starts just north of Embo and  - for the golf course - it resembles a "pork chop" and goes all the way to the tidal inlet across from Little Ferry to the north.
If you see the small road just west of the beach, that is the western boundary for the course.

Thanks Ian, that's quite an area.


Now here's an idea for some cross-country golf. Tee off on the 1st at RDGC or even somewhere on the Struie. After the RDGC 8th jump the fence and play through/over the Embo caravan site and village. Then up through Mr Kaiser's new bit followed by a boat crossing of the The Fleet and up the coast through the Golspie go-kart track stopping after the 18th at Golspie GC for a snack and then repeat in reverse finishing on the 18th at RDGC! Wishful thinking but what the hell!


atb

[Joel_Stewart]

Was there any doubt Keiser would use C&C?  Even Keiser jokes about Bill Coore being his go to guy.


The economics on this property are unlike anything he has done.  It doesn't look like he's putting all that much money in to it.  Hypothetically he may not need to put drainage or irrigation which would then reduce his construction costs quite a bit.

[Chris DeNigris]

No clubhouse, no hotel, no housing. Just a starter's shack. Very interesting.

Hmmm.....I smell an opportunity there.  I wonder if they would be open to a leased Hot Dog and Haggis kiosk operation- low key and discreetly located, of course 

[William_G]

Keisers own hamfisted way of dealing with the local authorities on his proposed course along the coast from Bandon that was mentioned in another thread.

Niall

Keiser has been nothing but patient and generous with Oregon and it's local authorities....just a classic F up by the government in OR

[Brett Hochstein]

To clarify the precise location could someone with the necessary computer skills outline the area that is under discsussion here!


This might assist - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.9132799,-3.9933456,14z/data=!3m1!1e3


Atb

Looks like there is a lot of water and low area on that site.  Am I seeing that right?  Even the drier spots more north look like they could almost have seasonal water, sort of like that at Askernish.  Is the plan to keep the golf up in the broader section of property to the north?

Anyone familiar with it able to chime in?

Really exciting project--what an absolute dream to work on Scottish linksland.  Admittedly jealous of C+C and whatever crew gets to work on it.

[Andrew Simpson]

To clarify the precise location could someone with the necessary computer skills outline the area that is under discsussion here!


This might assist - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.9132799,-3.9933456,14z/data=!3m1!1e3


Atb

Looks like there is a lot of water and low area on that site.  Am I seeing that right?  Even the drier spots more north look like they could almost have seasonal water, sort of like that at Askernish.  Is the plan to keep the golf up in the broader section of property to the north?

Anyone familiar with it able to chime in?

I'm not aware of that specific area, perhaps Ru can expand after his walk there.
I can say that there has been some serious coastal erosion at Littleferry up to Golspie and to a lesser extent from Brora south to Dornoch. I'll need to take a look

[David_Tepper]

"I can say that there has been some serious coastal erosion at Littleferry up to Golspie and to a lesser extent from Brora south to Dornoch."

Andrew S. -

Yes, there has been serious erosion on the coast line north of Littleferry up to Brora. Golspie GC has suffered some serious bouts of flooding over the past few winters.

Based on what I have seen in visiting the area for the past 12 years, it sure looks like a lot of the sand from that area is building up on the beach at Dornoch, below the 16th green and in front of the caravan park. A whole new stretch of linksland is being built up in that area.

Brett -

I don't think standing or accumulating water will be a problem on that site. Have you seen the pictures taken at ground level that Ru M. has posted?

http://scottishgolfpodcast.com/mike-keiser-course/

DT

[Garland Bayley]

Keisers own hamfisted way of dealing with the local authorities on his proposed course along the coast from Bandon that was mentioned in another thread.

Niall

Keiser has been nothing but patient and generous with Oregon and it's local authorities....just a classic F up by the government in OR

I believe the lack of patience was shown by entering property without permission, damaging the vegetation, making rough roads, and drilling test wells.


Can't blame that one on the government in OR.

[Ru Macdonald]

Andrew,

The site was dry enough with a few burns running through it and certainly a nice chunk of salt marsh which I'm assured is very wet between Nov-April. My source assures me that draining the site wouldn't be a factor as the main burn on the south side of the property flows directly out to see.

For those that have been to Trump the marshland on that site is far greater and wetter than this. It's pure links without gorse or trees.

[Steve Wilson]

During my extended stays in Golspie the past two years, I've had occasion to drive that stretch of road often.  Partly because it makes a nice break from the A9, and also because of the speculation about the suitability of the dunes there to serve as the bones of another fine links course. 


I see now from the Google earth map that I wasn't able to see much of the bone of the pork chop as it moves up from Dornoch toward the meat of the property.  Some of the dunes there are quite large and it will interesting to see how Coore uses them .  How many will be walls, how many green sites, etc. 


I just hope they get it done while I'm still playing golf in Scotland, particularly on the northeast coast.

[Steve Lang]

Thomas, Here you go, one pork chop, about 186 hectares give or take.  Maybe they'll recreate NGLA there, similar shape!

[James Brown]

Drove by there to play Golspie this summer and was thinking it would be a great site.  Then thought about how it might ruin Dornoch to have a big new development so close. 

[William_G]

Keisers own hamfisted way of dealing with the local authorities on his proposed course along the coast from Bandon that was mentioned in another thread.

Niall

Keiser has been nothing but patient and generous with Oregon and it's local authorities....just a classic F up by the government in OR

I believe the lack of patience was shown by entering property without permission, damaging the vegetation, making rough roads, and drilling test wells.


Can't blame that one on the government in OR.

thanks for clearing that up regarding Niall's misguided and uninformed opinion based on your belief, LOL

Keiser will do great things in Dornoch no doubt

in OR we are still trying to figure that he has done great things here

anything done at the proposed Bandon Links sit was entirely benign and was "nothing" compared to decades of illegal ATV use

 

[Jon Wiggett]

Drove by there to play Golspie this summer and was thinking it would be a great site.  Then thought about how it might ruin Dornoch to have a big new development so close.

James,

any sort of golf development like this is only going to be a positive thing for the whole region. Glad to see this taking shape.

Jon

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