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Brad Engel

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Course Architecture Worthy of Study
« on: October 09, 2015, 03:53:55 PM »
In Ran’s post “Higher Standards for GCA”, it struck me when he said that this site and its members have the opportunity to have a significant influence in shaping the future of the game through our collective knowledge of course architecture and the broader game.


With the recent release of Golf Magazine Top 100 World rankings, we’re again reminded of how subjective (and often times downright controversial) course rankings can be. However, what if we were to look at the available data from a different angle? I compiled all available rankings and rating data (including the GCA data) to better understand where the industry should be going in terms of design inspiration for future course openings. I did a simple multivariate correlation analysis using the individual components of the Golf Digest score (available on their website), Golf Digest ranking and GCA rankings & ratings. Values closer to 1 indicate that a particular component of the ranking is more likely to have a higher impact on the overall score/ranking.

Correlation with overall GCA score
Design Variety
 
0.8157
Memorability
 
0.7617
Shot Values
 
0.7452
Ambience
 
0.722
Aesthetics
 
0.5556
Resistance to Scoring
 
0.3479
Conditioning
 
0.2028

Correlation with overall GD ranking
Shot Values
 
0.8816
Design Variety
 
0.834
Memorability
 
0.831
Ambience
 
0.7527
Aesthetics
 
0.672
Resistance to Scoring
 
0.6695
Conditioning
 
0.4878

Qualitatively, posters have commented that GD tends to favor, hard, manicured, exclusive, tournament style “Augusta-like” courses while not giving enough credit to the shorter, “rough around the edges”, hidden gems. The data would support those assertions. GCAers on the other hand would appear to prefer memorable courses with great design variety regardless of whether the course is difficult or beautiful.


Given these findings, the question I pose to this esteemed group is what courses/architects should new courses (especially affordable public) be studying and emulating for future course openings to get more people interested in the game we all love? The first one that comes to my mind is a track like Rustic Canyon that Gil Hanse designed out in the greater Los Angeles area. The course is not overly long or difficult, but provides a variety of holes in a memorable setting at an affordable price.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Course Architecture Worthy of Study
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 04:02:41 PM »
Brad:


Bless you for thinking that there will be more "affordable public" courses built in the future.  The economics are against it, but one can dream.


As to your question, I think the courses to study are shorter courses that are still fun for people.  A few that come to mind:


Swinley Forest
New Zealand GC [UK]
Rye
West Sussex
Morfontaine (either course)


Plymouth CC, Mass.
Cape Arundel, Maine
Hooper, New Hampshire


The best part about all of these is that they are easy, fun walks.  And none of them spends very much on maintenance.




Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Course Architecture Worthy of Study
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 06:10:12 PM »
Maybe I am grumpy closing out Fri afternoon, but from my view point, you seem to go through all that data and somehow quickly conclude that gca.com should go out and study one of the "favored" architects and courses.  That quick (and predictable) conclusion seemingly cancels out whatever value you thought science brought to this.

Secondly, just as Tom Fazio didn't bring in a second "next generation of game changing design thought",  it seems fairly clear, based on history, that whoever changes the architecture game next is someone we haven't heard of (or barely so) not Doak, Hanse, CC, etc.

Tom is a little closer to the mark, but uses his traditional old courses are the best courses line of thought, while naming some courses that are in fact, genuinely fun to play.  No problem there, but it seems likely to me (for at least an American audience) to study some courses here that were built in a time when public golf was exploding, that were and are popular at least as a counterpoint.  After all I believe the one size fits all mode is done, and American courses might use the best American models for that (while the 2000 era used the best CCFAD or TPC as their models)

You may also be jumping to conclusions that the gca rankings are unquestionably superior.  You can believe that of course, but I wonder if some attempt to blend these two or analyze the differences might be more scientific.  In reality, only shot values changes places between these two rankings. 

And, of course, I have seen NGF rankings of "why they play" among public golfers (presumably these new golfers start there) and you will find maintenance, conditioning, ambiance all up near the top.  In other words, both Golf Digest and GCA.com use advanced players and "intelligentsia" in their rankings, while the NGF polls those more likely to be among the newbs we want to attract. Conditioning (by GD rules and popular opinion here) is by force ranked much lower than in reality.

In short, it seems like someone trying to find another way to say "aren't modern minimalists great? I can't imagine architecture ever being better, can you?"  I think, over time, things will change in a way none of us can predict.  Trying to pigeonhole the creativity into categories like this reminds me of both the old Russian five year plans, and many generals planning the next war based on the last one.

However, with all that rant behind me, I will say the shorter part seems to be part of the equation.  Talking with a management company type last week, he thought about the worst thing you could do now is  market your course as "the longest in the land" as public golfer sentiment does seem to be truly changing towards shorter courses.

Anyway, just my $0.04 (seems I said too much to be just $0.02 worth......)
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

BCowan

Re: Course Architecture Worthy of Study
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 09:29:49 PM »
Diamond springs!  A gca geek and a yahoo can love it.  Replace rough with fescue if soils allow or strip topsoil off rough. 

Paul Gray

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Re: Course Architecture Worthy of Study
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2015, 08:09:41 PM »
A good starting point is generally a club which has survived the comings and goings of fashion for a minimum of four hundred years. Probably fair to say that's a pretty solid base.
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Course Architecture Worthy of Study
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2015, 03:40:45 AM »
Brad:


Bless you for thinking that there will be more "affordable public" courses built in the future.  The economics are against it, but one can dream.


As to your question, I think the courses to study are shorter courses that are still fun for people.  A few that come to mind:


Swinley Forest
New Zealand GC [UK]
Rye
West Sussex
Morfontaine (either course)


Plymouth CC, Mass.
Cape Arundel, Maine
Hooper, New Hampshire


The best part about all of these is that they are easy, fun walks.  And none of them spends very much on maintenance.

Tom,

is it really true that the economics are against the building of cheaper golf?

Is it not more probable that in an era where more golfers are deciding against membership of clubs and going for a choice of paying green fees on a play by play basis. That at a time where many have tightened their belts financially that cheap, public access courses are going to be more in demand.

Does not your choice of high end, private courses (at least in the UK) show an industry mind set? You say your listed courses are examples of courses who do not spend much on maintenance yet I would suggest that none of your UK courses fit this description but rather that they all spend above the UK average. Low maintenance costs in the UK for an 18 hole course is under £125K.

When looking at cheap, affordable golf instead of looking at the Moortown and Alwoodley examples of the private world is it not the City of Wakefield (Lupset) or Temple Newsam examples of the successful cheap public golf that should be studied?

Jeff,

where is value for money in any of these ratings? It seems to me that people who do not consider value for money in the equation of a purchase are also the sort of people who do not have to think about money issues and so hey presto conditioning is right up the top end. If car ratings were done this way then Ferrari or some other high end super car would be car of the year in all the rankings yet where value for money is included it usually turns out to be some family hatchback at the top of the heap.

Rankings in golf are geared up to put high spending clubs at the top of the rankings.

Jon

Paul Gray

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Re: Course Architecture Worthy of Study
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2015, 12:33:19 PM »
I was about to wax lyrical about Leckford and explain why such a simple course is a model for the future. I was about to tell you how playing there yesterday with Sean Arble was such a joy because the entire staff of five manage to get the simple things right.

Then I thought nothing better encapsulates why the place works than the footnote on each of my posts:

In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

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