Six new additions to Golfs top 100 world

[Joel_Stewart]

Golf magazine announced 6 new additions to its world Top 100 today.

73. Ellerston
76. Ayodhya Links
81. Cal Club
84. Winged Foot east
92. Royal Hague
95. Sunningdale New

Congratulations to all.

[John Connolly]

Highest of praise for Cal Club. I'll beat that drum all day long. It won't stop at 81.

[Greg Gilson]

What 6 dropped out?

[Joel_Stewart]

The entire list is being released tomorrow.

[David_Elvins]

I have played 3 of those.  80 odd more new entries over the next few years and I will have played the World Top 100.  Look out Shulz.

[Niall C]

Clearly none of their raters have played Forfar.

[Cristian]

What 6 dropped out?

Medinah (No. 3)
Old Macdonald
Loch Lomond
Old Sandwich
Royal Melbourne (East)
Royal Adelaide

[Ally Mcintosh]

Golf magazine announced 6 new additions to its world Top 100 today.

73. Ellerston
76. Ayodhya Links
81. Cal Club
84. Winged Foot east
92. Royal Hague
95. Sunningdale New

Congratulations to all.

I had to go and look up Ayodhya. I'd never heard of it.

[Paul Gray]

Would Royal Hague, if it were in the UK, be in the top 10?

[Cristian]

Up more than 10 spots:

Camargo +13
Diamante+14
Shanquin Bay+31 (!)

Fishers from 24 to 18
Country Club from 42 to 34

Down more than 10 spots:

Kauri Cliffs -20
Castle Stuart -13
Royal Liverpool -13
Barnbougle Lost Farm -13

Merion out of top 10, from 9 to 11
Turnberry out of top 20 from 18 to 23

All MacRaynor courses up, except Chicago (-1)

[Cristian]

Would Royal Hague, if it were in the UK, be in the top 10?

Top 10 maybe not, but top 20 would be very realistic.

[Cristian]

Golf magazine announced 6 new additions to its world Top 100 today.

73. Ellerston
76. Ayodhya Links
81. Cal Club
84. Winged Foot east
92. Royal Hague
95. Sunningdale New

Congratulations to all.

I had to go and look up Ayodhya. I'd never heard of it.

+1

It is hard to argue that exclusivity is not as important as design in this list with Ellerston, Shanqin and Ayodhya making biggest moves.

[Steve Lapper]

Golf magazine announced 6 new additions to its world Top 100 today.

73. Ellerston
76. Ayodhya Links
81. Cal Club
84. Winged Foot east
92. Royal Hague
95. Sunningdale New

Congratulations to all.

I had to go and look up Ayodhya. I'd never heard of it.

+1

It is hard to argue that exclusivity is not as important as design in this list with Ellerston, Shanqin and Ayodhya making biggest moves.

Bullcrap! If it was you'd see the likes of Piewood National, Canyata, Alotian Club and other GD perennial favorites. I've played all but Ayodhya (and new version of Cal Club) and those played more than deserve inclusion on design basis alone.

[Mark Bourgeois]

Bullcrap! If it was you'd see the likes of Piewood National, Canyata, Alotian Club and other GD perennial favorites. I've played all but Ayodhya (and new version of Cal Club) and those played more than deserve inclusion on design basis alone.

Kauri Cliffs used to fit the bill but now even the hoi polloi know about it. And so its fall from grace. Could be a while before the Hainan infrastructure makes an easy trip to the east coast, so Shanqin should be insulated for a while. Plus there's the signal value of playing a C&C practically no one else can.

[Cristian]

Golf magazine announced 6 new additions to its world Top 100 today.

73. Ellerston
76. Ayodhya Links
81. Cal Club
84. Winged Foot east
92. Royal Hague
95. Sunningdale New

Congratulations to all.

I had to go and look up Ayodhya. I'd never heard of it.

+1

It is hard to argue that exclusivity is not as important as design in this list with Ellerston, Shanqin and Ayodhya making biggest moves.

Bullcrap! If it was you'd see the likes of Piewood National, Canyata, Alotian Club and other GD perennial favorites. I've played all but Ayodhya (and new version of Cal Club) and those played more than deserve inclusion on design basis alone.

I am not saying they are not good courses, I would not know, I have not played them. I am just saying it is remarkable that these specific courses, all eligible 2 years ago, got so much better in the past 2 years. (especially Shanqin)

[Cristian]

Golf magazine announced 6 new additions to its world Top 100 today.

73. Ellerston
76. Ayodhya Links
81. Cal Club
84. Winged Foot east
92. Royal Hague
95. Sunningdale New

Congratulations to all.

I had to go and look up Ayodhya. I'd never heard of it.

+1

It is hard to argue that exclusivity is not as important as design in this list with Ellerston, Shanqin and Ayodhya making biggest moves.

Bullcrap! If it was you'd see the likes of Piewood National, Canyata, Alotian Club and other GD perennial favorites. I've played all but Ayodhya (and new version of Cal Club) and those played more than deserve inclusion on design basis alone.

I am not saying they are not good courses, I would not know, I have not played them. I am just saying it is remarkable that these specific courses, all eligible 2 years ago, got so much better in the past 2 years. (especially Shanqin).

By the way, thanks for using the word bullcrap to qualify my comments, charming.

[Josh Tarble]

Bullcrap! If it was you'd see the likes of Piewood National, Canyata, Alotian Club and other GD perennial favorites. I've played all but Ayodhya (and new version of Cal Club) and those played more than deserve inclusion on design basis alone.

Kauri Cliffs used to fit the bill but now even the hoi polloi know about it. And so its fall from grace. Could be a while before the Hainan infrastructure makes an easy trip to the east coast, so Shanqin should be insulated for a while. Plus there's the signal value of playing a C&C practically no one else can.

Kauri Cliffs is public - it is hard to get to though. 


I think Kauri Cliffs is the definition of a "rater preferred" course.  It's beautiful, in a fantastic location, fantastic experience.   Absolutely amazing for one round.  Then you realize there is more beauty than substance.  Not saying it isn't a good course, just not sure it's top 100 good.  The views are all world though.

[Steve Lapper]

Christian,


  Sorry chap, but your point was effectively bullcrap. Exclusivity has absolutely ZERO weight in the vote of any panelists I know. Personal taste, design integrity, and quirk yes, but votes for exclusivity remains the domain of GD and the handful of courses that preclude all others but GD from rater visits.


  The GM Top 100 process is considerably different than GD or GW. I'm not saying it's uniformly better, but the emphasis is on seeing worthy courses throughout the world and it does take time for a mere 100 to get to places like China, Australia, Thailand and the Netherlands. Votes are made only on courses that have been played and GM panelists are asked to state the last time they've visited that course. This alone explains the ascent of Shanquin Bay and Ellerston.

BTW.....Although too late for the 2015 ballot, expect to see Cabot Cliffs debut on this list very, very high....perhaps the highest modern since Sand Hills or Pac Dunes.



 

[Paul Gray]

Would Royal Hague, if it were in the UK, be in the top 10?

Top 10 maybe not, but top 20 would be very realistic.

I was just pondering it being ranked above Sunningdale New.
 
I should really stop paying attentino to these lists. It's really a silly exercise, although I do find them interesting when considering general trends. 
 
 

[Bart Bradley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVMJSWxMaT0


Ayodyha Links video. 


Is this the course in the Top 100?  You have got to be joking.


Bart

[Adam Lawrence]

Royal Hague above Sunny New doesn't offend me. In truth the other way wouldn't either.

[Niall C]

Bart


Agreed, it doesn't look much other than a pleasant round in a beautifully conditioned course but perhaps some of the raters on here could enlighten us.


Niall

[Greg Tallman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVMJSWxMaT0


Ayodyha Links video. 


Is this the course in the Top 100?  You have got to be joking.


Bart

That's the one.

[Mark Bourgeois]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVMJSWxMaT0


Ayodyha Links video. 


Is this the course in the Top 100?  You have got to be joking.


Bart

Hahahaha! that is fantastic. They should rename it "The Villages" -- wait that's already taken.

[Mark Pritchett]

I suspect no one wants to travel around the world to play a course and then come back and report the course was not that good.


Geographical balance has to play a role.  I doubt Ayodyha would be ranked if it were on Long Island.