Trump at Doral

[Patrick_Mucci]

Dan, for a guy who, according to you, makes assinine statements, he's sure done pretty well for himself, for his many members and golf.

He must be doing more than a few things right

Not sure what kind of bizarro form of logic you're using to draw that conclusion.

I'm using a form of logic called "net worth" logic.
It's akin to geometric logic

Are you saying that because I observed that he makes asinine statements, I would also say that he hasn't done well for himself?

Just because you deem them asinine statements doesn't mean they're asinine statements to others.
Secondly, he's done incredibly well for himself, in many areas.

Those two things are unrelated. It's not an "If A then B" relationship. Of course he's done well for himself. He's done VERY well for himself, stepping on those beneath him on his way to wealth.

Now that's an asinine statement.

Would you list those he's stepped on ?

Would you also list others of equal net worth who haven't stepped on"those beneath them on their way to wealth" ?

Are YOU saying that he doesn't make asinine statements?

No, he doesn't.
They're all calculated to aid in his promotion of his products.
You may think they're asinine, but they've proven to be highly successful.
So who doesn't get it, you or The Donald ?

Do a quick Google search of "dumb things Donald Trump has said." You'll find websites and Facebook pages dedicated to the diarrhea that spews out of his mouth.

It's obvious that you, and others, don't get it.

Look up the word "shtick"

He's as smart and shrewd as they come.
And, he's got a good sense of humor.

[Steve Lapper]

Irrespective of Donald's public personality, the Trump portfolio policy of making ALL of his courses and ranges available to local high school golf teams and clubs for practice is most definitely additive to the growth of the game. Please feel free to tell me how I'm wrong, or how such a practice is uniformly followed by all other prominent course owners.

[Wade Whitehead]

Steve:

If Mr. Trump is making his courses available to high school teams, I stand corrected.  I wasn't aware of the policy and appreciate you pointing it out.

Does he allow highs schoolers to play and practice at the Bedminster, West Palm Beach, L.A., D.C., Philadelphia, and Miami properties?

WW

[David Lott]

Trump is a big talker, but unlike most big talkers he also takes big actions. In the current environment investing money in the game is plenty good for golf. So what if his projects aren't to someone-or-other's particular tastes? So what if he likes publicity and adulation? There is great variation in golf courses, golfers and in "golf experiences." If Trump's efforts are not for you, there are lots of other alternatives. The test is whether his projects will be successful over the long term. Seems to me he's off to a good start.

And by the way, what did Bobby Jones do for public golf? It wasn't exactly his main focus either.

[Keith OHalloran]

I heard an interview with Ernie Els today. He said that Donald Trump told him that he would let Els use all of his courses for his autism outing for free. Els estimates that is over a million dollars in savings on site fees. That is a great thing.

[Gary Slatter]

for the first time in my life I'll say TRUMP is doing more for golf right now than anyone else.  Sure Kaiser and Bandon Dunes are great, but that's a pretty select audience of bag carriers, while Trump has projects for all Americans, private and public players.   For awhile I worked at a course with a Trump name (Trump International GC at Raffles Resort on Canouan).  It definitely is the #1 course in the Grenadines and possibly the southern Caribbean.   The course paid an annual licence fee to the Trump, and in return received ....recognition? casino guests? not sure.

DORAL needed TRUMP, he's spending money to save a classic destination golf resort.  Hope he can keep the course as good as it can be!

[Steve Lapper]

Steve:

If Mr. Trump is making his courses available to high school teams, I stand corrected.  I wasn't aware of the policy and appreciate you pointing it out.

Does he allow highs schoolers to play and practice at the Bedminster, West Palm Beach, L.A., D.C., Philadelphia, and Miami properties?

WW

Wade,

 He does, in fact, allow access at all of those properties you mentioned. Granted, I'm sure they don't get "prime" times, but I know for a fact he permits them play & practice  so long as it doesn't conflict with the priority use by his members.

   Though any real comparison with many "very exclusive" clubs is fundamentally flawed, I'd at least submit that Trump courses are, on balance, much better neighborhood citizens than such other venues.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Steve Lapper,

Why are you using facts to dispel fabrications and myths ?

[Wade Whitehead]

Thanks, Steve, for setting me straight.  Good to hear, and I appreciate the illumination.

WW

[Gary Sato]

Did anyones opinion of Doral change?  Except for maybe Bubba.

[jeffwarne]

So how long before the sponsorship fallout buries Trump and his cozy relationships with the governing bodies.
Was only a matter of time.


Hopefully the governing bodies will stop the never ending money grab, come to their senses and do what's good for the game itself-not the organization's pockets.


I'm no fan of PC, but I'm less of a fan of consistent blowhards

[corey miller]

President Clinton plays at Trump Westchester.  Surely he would not were all these things about Mr. Trump  true. 

[Brent Hutto]

President Clinton plays at Trump Westchester.  Surely he would not were all these things about Mr. Trump  true.

I'm reminded, as always, of a favorite Simpsons quote...


Bill Clinton: I know you don't think you're good enough for me, but believe me, you are. Hell, I done it with pigs. Real, no-foolin' pigs.
--from The Simpsons "Homer to the Max", Season 10, Episode 13

[jeffwarne]

President Clinton plays at Trump Westchester.  Surely he would not were all these things about Mr. Trump  true.

Hilary plays golf?

[Howard Riefs]

So how long before the sponsorship fallout buries Trump and his cozy relationships with the governing bodies.
Was only a matter of time.

Hopefully the governing bodies will stop the never ending money grab, come to their senses and do what's good for the game itself-not the organization's pockets.

Good related opinion piece by Golf Digest.

http://www.golfdigest.com/blogs/the-loop/2015/07/should-golf-evaluate-its-relat.html

A pretty vanilla statement from the golf governing bodies...

"In response to Mr. Trump's comments about the golf industry 'knowing he is right' in regards to his recent statements about Mexican immigrants, we feel compelled to clarify that those remarks do not reflect the views of our organizations. While the LPGA, PGA of America, PGA Tour and USGA do not usually comment on Presidential politics, Mr. Trump's comments are inconsistent with our strong commitment to an inclusive and welcoming environment in the game of golf."

[Sam Morrow]

I'm not sure why these statements are relevant to this site.

[jeffwarne]

I'm not sure why these statements are relevant to this site.

I think a lot of architects who post here, as well as many GCAers ,might be interested in the fate/comments of the governing bodies regarding one of the largest developers in the game.
To say nothing of the effect of immigration (both legal and not) on the maintenance of many/most golf courses in the country.


Now back to the other 6 OT threads  [size=78%](and that's considering Golf and skiing on topic)[/size]

[Sam Morrow]

Jeff,

I hate the OT stuff too. Ran wrote this big thing at the beginning of the year but nothing has changed.

[Anthony Butler]

So how long before the sponsorship fallout buries Trump and his cozy relationships with the governing bodies.
Was only a matter of time.


Hopefully the governing bodies will stop the never ending money grab, come to their senses and do what's good for the game itself-not the organization's pockets.


I'm no fan of PC, but I'm less of a fan of consistent blowhards

I think the never ending money grab is what drove the joint statements the PGA Tour, USGA and PGA of America put out there.... they can't afford to alienate the companies that support them and their customers... 50 million people of Latino origin in the US, plus all the other minority groups he's thrown under the bus..

Like Jerry Seinfeld and Jeff Warne, I agree the reflexive PC outrage has gone a little too far in this country, but that doesn't cover the things Donald Trump said.. "These people are rapists and murderers.." Not by a long shot.

If you look at all the major things done to weaken this country over the last 30 years, every decision was made by an entitled white douchebag like Donald Trump.. So maybe he's the problem.

If this trade deal Obama just pushed through doesn't work out, I guess we'll have add him to the list..

Meanwhile even Bubba Watson can see which way the wind is blowing:

http://golfdig.st/1HARdv8

[Ryan Hillenbrand]

I seem to recall less fuss made by the tour and others when Allen Stanford's Ponzi scheme cost people $7 billion dollars. "Eagles for St. Jude" went quietly into the night.

If Trump stays in the race its just  a matter of time before Cadillac pulls out and the event is moved to another course.

[Howard Riefs]

Some minor changes in the work at Doral:


http://www.golf.com/players-speak-donald-listens-and-minor-changes-doral