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Jason Thurman

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Who deserves the blame?
« on: July 18, 2015, 08:17:56 AM »
... for this awful Open?
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Pat Burke

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2015, 08:32:16 AM »
Mother nature.


Tough to beat her.
Also, the desire to finish on Sunday for TV, fans, player travel etc.


If a Monday finish wasn't an issue, they don't have to push so hard to get holes in

Adam Clayman

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2015, 09:04:45 AM »
Of course it's the manufacturer's fault. Oh yeah, and everyone whiny selfish golfer that cherishes a stimp meter reading, over the art, and challenge, of greens with character.

This ain't your granddaddy's sport.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2015, 09:08:53 AM »
It's only awful for those who choose to see it that way. I personally love watching golf at work.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 09:14:17 AM »
It's only awful for those who choose to see it that way. I personally love watching golf at work.
ditto
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BHoover

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2015, 09:14:56 AM »
It's only awful for those who choose to see it that way. I personally love watching golf at work.

Yet I'm willing to lay money on the fact you'd have a problem with your employees doing the same.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2015, 09:18:59 AM »
I don't hire golfers.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2015, 09:22:47 AM »
Now tbe NCAA Basketball tournament must cost me thousands. Here in the Midwest I've got no choice but to hire basketball fans. Lucky for me we aren't very busy in March.

Sam Morrow

Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2015, 09:30:20 AM »
I haven't found this Open awful.

BHoover

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2015, 09:32:51 AM »
I haven't found this Open awful.

The weather delay is unfortunate but unless you play the tournament under a dome, it can't be helped. But otherwise, I've very much enjoyed watching the golf. My only complaint is that I will miss the Monday finish--my employer probably would not appreciate me watching at work.

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2015, 09:33:48 AM »
I think the officials made 2 bad decisions. Played too long last nite and never should have started this morning.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2015, 09:40:50 AM »
What's awful about it?  The weather got nasty and conditions became unplayable, but there are all sorts of good storylines, including:
1.  It's Dustin's major to lose again. Will it be the putter, the driver or the ten-cent head that provokes this incipient tragedy.
2. Will Spieth eat haggis out of the Claret Jug if he wins?
3. Who will be the unforgettable story that we will quickly forget: Dunne, Willett or Niebrugge?
4.  Will Faldo get one-tenth of the love received by Watson?
5. Will the BBC interview Adam Clayman and Melvyn Hunter Morrow after the Open to let them air their complaint that modern architecture and modern technology, including green mowers and Stimpmeters, have sullied the greatest championship of all?
If only Fox were on the job!
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BHoover

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2015, 09:52:07 AM »
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Danny Willett.

Terry Lavin

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2015, 10:07:41 AM »
Tongue in cheek.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

MClutterbuck

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2015, 10:43:39 AM »
I think the officials made 2 bad decisions. Played too long last nite and never should have started this morning.


Hindsight....

Mike Bowen

Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2015, 10:57:57 AM »
I think the culture of overreacting is the cause.  I think it's great they had Tom finish last night in the dark.  It provided for a memorable moment.  And maybe they jumped the gun on starting today but who cares.  Get over yourselves.

Sam Morrow

Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2015, 11:08:56 AM »
I think the culture of overreacting is the cause.  I think it's great they had Tom finish last night in the dark.  It provided for a memorable moment.  And maybe they jumped the gun on starting today but who cares.  Get over yourselves.

Word

Mike Hendren

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2015, 12:00:14 PM »
Wind?  In Scotland? Down by the water?   Would you guys like me to post a photo of my surprised face?

Great golf courses are like a Christmas tree - just right  until everybody insists on adding their ornament to the tree.

Bogey
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Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Michael Tamburrini

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2015, 12:01:23 PM »
The R&A deserve the blame.


Not for sending players out this morning, or playing too late last night (things like that happen - sometimes tournaments have to take place in uncomfortable conditions).


But for - yet again - presenting an Old Course which can't cope with winds greater than 30mph.  For the third major in a row.


The greens are too fast - again.  The R&A feel like the only way of defending the course is to speed up the greens and stick the flags next to slopes because they completely ignored the ball and equipment which has made the Old Course so vulnerable.  So they move tees back, add bunkers, flatten greens to accommodate their green speeds and stick their head in the sand about the reason why they're doing this.


Even with the high winds and tough playing conditions the cut is still going to be one of the lowest in major championship history and 20 under par could well be the winning total. 

Thomas Dai

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2015, 12:32:13 PM »
I'm curious to know what the average time for a 3-ball in the first two rounds of The Open around TOC is in comparison to the other Open rota courses. Anyone know?
Atb

Chris Roselle

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2015, 01:34:03 PM »
The R&A deserve the blame.


Not for sending players out this morning, or playing too late last night (things like that happen - sometimes tournaments have to take place in uncomfortable conditions).


But for - yet again - presenting an Old Course which can't cope with winds greater than 30mph.  For the third major in a row.


The greens are too fast - again.  The R&A feel like the only way of defending the course is to speed up the greens and stick the flags next to slopes because they completely ignored the ball and equipment which has made the Old Course so vulnerable.  So they move tees back, add bunkers, flatten greens to accommodate their green speeds and stick their head in the sand about the reason why they're doing this.


Even with the high winds and tough playing conditions the cut is still going to be one of the lowest in major championship history and 20 under par could well be the winning total.

According to the broadcast, 8.3 on the stimp for some of the most exposed greens on TOC.  So they slow them down more then the players complain about their pace.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2015, 02:31:21 PM »
Tomorrow looks to be the greatest Saturday in Open history.

Dean Stokes

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2015, 03:16:29 PM »
... for this awful Open?
are you watching a different tournament from me? This is awesome. You obviously don't appreciate "real" golf. You like perfect, sunny, four day, hit to wet greens US PGA TOUR events? Keep them! You'll probably be glad it finishes Monday so you won't have to watch it because you'll be at work😄
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Doug Siebert

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2015, 04:07:00 PM »
According to the broadcast, 8.3 on the stimp for some of the most exposed greens on TOC.  So they slow them down more then the players complain about their pace.


As I said in another thread, based on when they were doing that stimp test inside the line of plastic containers to shelter from the wind, there's no way it was anything like 8.3. The R&A is making that up to cover their asses.

They've known all week what the forecast called for, and deliberately chose a setup they knew couldn't handle the wind. Totally 100% the R&A's fault.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Who deserves the blame?
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2015, 04:20:12 PM »

But for - yet again - presenting an Old Course which can't cope with winds greater than 30mph.  For the third major in a row.


The greens are too fast - again.  The R&A feel like the only way of defending the course is to speed up the greens and stick the flags next to slopes because they completely ignored the ball and equipment which has made the Old Course so vulnerable.  So they move tees back, add bunkers, flatten greens to accommodate their green speeds and stick their head in the sand about the reason why they're doing this.


Even with the high winds and tough playing conditions the cut is still going to be one of the lowest in major championship history and 20 under par could well be the winning total.

The greens were quite fast on Thursday-my son who has played most of his golf on very fast greens pointed out to me how fast they were.

TOC is a great site for an Open. Regardless of scores they shoot.
Given the weather forecast (40 mph winds for Friday were forecast as early as Monday) I would've thought maybe they'd back off earlier in the week, (hard to go from 10+ to 7)
If the greens ran at 7, I bet the scores would be higher. Check that-of course they would because they'd still be playing.
The course looked great, other than stupid rough on 16 and 17 left of fairway and right of green

"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

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