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David Davis

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Is this the future of GCA?
« on: July 08, 2015, 12:07:36 PM »
In Japan it seems to be:


http://qz.com/445330/japan-is-building-solar-energy-plants-on-abandoned-golf-courses-and-the-idea-is-spreading/


How does the Counting Crows song lied? They sold paradise and put up a parking lot....
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2015, 12:19:46 PM »
Counting Crows?????
Adam Lawrence

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Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

David Davis

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 12:26:09 PM »
Counting Crows? ??? ?


Ok how about Here come's the sun? I have a rather diverse appreciation for music Adam. But let's keep this about new brighter GCA renovations.


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Ian Andrew

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2015, 12:38:43 PM »
Hi David,


His comment is likely because its a well-known Joni Mitchell song covered by the Crows.




It's not the future of GCA...


Growth in golf is slow, but so is growth in the economy.
Poor business models are failing, the rest are treading water.
Good business models are succeeding, but even their return is hampered by the economy.


There is a lot to be addressed economically before we see real strength in the economy ... and in turn golf.


[size=78%]That may even become a golf course again ... you never know [/size]



With every golf development bubble, the end was unexpected and brutal....

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 01:09:33 PM »
David,

could it be due to the excessive cost of playing the game in Japan (even by US standards) coupled with the fact they have been in the economic doldrums for decades that has finally led to this? Is this the future of GCA in Japan? Maybe but that is irrelevant for the rest of the world in general.

Jon

Carl Rogers

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 01:19:46 PM »
Ian & et al,
What is a good business model?  What is a poor business model?
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

Thomas Dai

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2015, 02:31:04 PM »
I suspect that tax breaks or some 'incentives' would be involved in some way.
Atb

Kalen Braley

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2015, 04:24:41 PM »
It is more than likely the fate of GCA in America if the middle class continues to be crushed like it has been in the last two decades.  A healthy middle class is the best thing for the future of golf IMO.....

Jeff Evagues

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2015, 04:31:46 PM »
Calverton Links on L.I. closed a few years ago and there are negotiations to put a solar farm there.
Be the ball

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 03:31:59 AM »
Some courses closing is the best thing. There are too many as it currently stands. The problem with the game is not really money, it is more about people's time.
 


From a UK point of view, boomtime was 10-20 years ago. We encouraged people to retire at 50. [size=78%]That has now changed to working to 67 before you retire.[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]Golf needs to be nearer 3 hours than 5 like it used to be, the authorities need to speed the game up and some rule changes that dont alter the basic game. I think the 4 points below save 30 minutes per round.[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]Mark the ball once on the green, [/size]
[/size][size=78%]no penalty for hitting the flag or the opponents ball, [/size]
[/size][size=78%]no alignment lines on the golf ball. [/size]
[/size][size=78%]All lost balls are laterals, same rule applies as a ball going into GUR but one penalty stroke.[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]The answer is not 12 inch holes.[/size]
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 03:53:12 AM »
I like Counting Crows and I'm not the biggest Joni fan around, but the idea that they wrote Big Yellow Taxi? The world is going to hell in a hand cart etc etc etc </sadoldman>
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
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Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2015, 04:09:18 AM »
I was involved in the music industry for 10 years, I think the biggest no-no among the muso's was to ever quote the wrong song writer and pomp the cover version.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
The Players Club, Cumberwell Park, The Kendleshire, Oake Manor, Dainton Park, Forest Hills, Erlestoke, St Cleres.
www.theplayersgolfclub.com

David Davis

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2015, 04:44:30 AM »
I like Counting Crows and I'm not the biggest Joni fan around, but the idea that they wrote Big Yellow Taxi? The world is going to hell in a hand cart etc etc etc </sadoldman>


Ha ha Adam,


Actually, I didn't know the name of the song and didn't realize it wasn't an original but that doesn't surprise me at all. How many songs/movies even are these days? I don't know much about Joni and now that I went and listened to her original version, I'm glad. For the record I didn't claim they wrote it did I? I mean it's not like American Pie - by Madonna where I can be certain it's an original.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2015, 05:26:36 AM by David Davis »
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2015, 05:02:11 AM »
David - To be fair 95% of people don't know the songwriters either, and Louie Walsh continually makes the mistake on X-Factor (the big music show with alleged x-perts) so your not alone.


I suppose its a bit like getting the architects wrongly aligned to the course to the GCA clan....no big deal really.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
The Players Club, Cumberwell Park, The Kendleshire, Oake Manor, Dainton Park, Forest Hills, Erlestoke, St Cleres.
www.theplayersgolfclub.com

Ian Andrew

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Re: Is this the future of GCA?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 07:58:28 AM »
Ian & et al,
What is a good business model?  What is a poor business model?


It's like any other business, it must make money.
Many "can't" because they were built for too much.
Debt service + Overhead < Income
With every golf development bubble, the end was unexpected and brutal....

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