News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


noonan

Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2015, 11:12:13 PM »
If he makes a cliche statement he is chastised.

If he speaks his true feelings he is chastised.

Tough crowd.

Mike Wagner

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2015, 11:17:59 PM »
???


No Mike , free speech is wonderful and should be protected at all times . Who said  we are anti free speech ?


Anti a bratty poor sport sure . He could have easily said that the greens were bad but they were the same for all of us , I'm fine with that !


Archie -


If you were addressing me, that's exactly what I'm saying.  Free speech is the greatest thing in the world.  I was stating that what they said was classless. 

archie_struthers

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2015, 11:23:33 PM »
 ???




Jerry , if you invited someone to dinner and they criticized your cooking they may be speaking their mind but its inappropriate . Feel the same way about Horschel's rant and the on course antics.


Just the wrong place and time .





« Last Edit: June 22, 2015, 12:12:18 AM by archie_struthers »

Garland Bayley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2015, 11:31:04 PM »
So how do you feel about Ernie Els? Sometimes the truth hurts. You should expect childish behavior on a course that just needed a windmill and clown's mouth.

Honestly, I've heard lots of people use the "windmill and clowns's mouth" reference this week, and it really is the most unoriginal take imaginable.


When I have heard the use of "windmill and clown's mouth" comment on course, it comes from someone who has made a bad or thoughtless play.


Ernie Els apparently is no Jack Nicklaus or Tom Watson.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Matthew Essig

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2015, 11:34:39 PM »
IMO, so what if he whines. Most pros do. This is why I have lost respect for him.


https://vine.co/v/ei3KK7TVZbI
"Good GCA should offer an interesting golfing challenge to the golfer not a difficult golfing challenge." Jon Wiggett

Jim Nugent

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2015, 11:50:44 PM »
You guys only like free speech when it's saying brown, bumpy and dead is good?  This is America, where free speech should be celebrated whether or not you agree with it.

This is not a free speech issue: freedom of speech means government cannot restrict speech.  No one here is suggesting government stop Horschel from talking. 

noonan


Mark Pavy

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2015, 01:10:49 AM »
Whilst Horschel is carrying on the way he did, the overwhelming majority of Professional Golfers are teaching kids, giving lessons, running golf clubs and generally serving the game they love.  Billy deserves a 12 month holiday. The PGA Tour needs to grow some balls.

Jon Wiggett

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2015, 02:43:39 AM »
There were lots of whining pros blaming the greens for their poor putting. Horschel's example is typical. He under read the borrow and then blames the putting surface.

Also, did he really hit the green with his putter? I have seen it but still have trouble believing anyone could be such an ass as to do such a thing.

Jon

Phil Young

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2015, 07:44:45 AM »
I have no problem at all with any thing he said or how he acted... off the course.

In addition to the crap he did on the course I have a bit of a problem that apparently no one he was playing with went up to him after several of his on-course antics and TOLD, not asked, him to stop because he was annoying them and affecting their play...

Also, if its a penalty for damaging the hole, is damaging the green intentionally a penalty as well? Isn't that what he did as seen in the youtube clip when he smacks his putter into the green about 4 feet from the hole in some sort of frustrated protest? How would he have acted if he was faced with putting through that damage, repaired or not, if he followed someone who did that?

 
« Last Edit: June 22, 2015, 07:48:58 AM by Phil Young »

JJShanley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2015, 07:47:54 AM »
He used twitter to criticise college players who use trolleys, because he thinks they should carry.  I pointed out he doesn't carry, but offered to let him use his caddy if he didn't ask him for advice. 

astavrides

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2015, 08:41:34 AM »
He didn't actually hit the green-just took a big swing and pretended he was going to. Still I think he is an ass for what he did, and I'm going to root against him from now on. And I also think it was unfortunate that the greens were bumpy, but that's life, deal with it with some class.

David Davis

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2015, 08:50:05 AM »
Yep, guy wins 10 million in a couple tournaments then when everyone is struggling to + rounds and taking their medicine he acts like a complete juvenile unworthy of even possessing a tour card and a golfing role model status.


I'd like to see them take back the 10 million, suspend him and then see how's his attitude changes upon return.


Sad!
Sharing the greatest experiences in golf.

IG: @top100golftraveler
www.lockharttravelclub.com

RKoehn

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2015, 08:56:13 AM »
Yep, guy wins 10 million in a couple tournaments then when everyone is struggling to + rounds and taking their medicine he acts like a complete juvenile unworthy of even possessing a tour card and a golfing role model status.


I'd like to see them take back the 10 million, suspend him and then see how's his attitude changes upon return.


Sad!

Brilliant.  A guy speaks his mind about the golf course, and as punishment you want to confiscate his historical earnings and his livelihood.  Is this forum based in North Korea?

David Davis

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2015, 09:08:14 AM »
Yep, guy wins 10 million in a couple tournaments then when everyone is struggling to + rounds and taking their medicine he acts like a complete juvenile unworthy of even possessing a tour card and a golfing role model status.


I'd like to see them take back the 10 million, suspend him and then see how's his attitude changes upon return.


Sad!

Brilliant.  A guy speaks his mind about the golf course, and as punishment you want to confiscate his historical earnings and his livelihood.  Is this forum based in North Korea?


You must not of watched the videos...I could care less what he says but the way he acts is quite sad. The 10 million, well, that's of course a tongue and cheek comment. North Korea? Do you think anyone wins 10 million in sports in North Korea?
Sharing the greatest experiences in golf.

IG: @top100golftraveler
www.lockharttravelclub.com

Jon Wiggett

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2015, 10:47:24 AM »
And I also think it was unfortunate that the greens were bumpy, but that's life, deal with it with some class.

astavrides,

I know there was a bobble or two though nothing like some would have us believe but I never saw any put being deflected off line. I have to admit that I did not see that much other than Rory's last round plus a few highlights but even that meant seeing over 100 putts off which I saw 3 or 4 bobble but none knocked off line.

What I would note as I said before was the putt of Horschel shown in the youtube clip was clearly a misread of the player and not the fault of the green. Unfortunately the player did not have either the ability to understand this or else lacked the character to accept it.

Jon

George Pazin

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2015, 10:52:26 AM »
Horschel is the kind of guy that Jack loved back in the day, when he commented that he loved hearing other competitors whining, knowing he could cross them off the list of potential rivals that week.

I read the big article in GD or Golf earlier this year on BH and rooted for him. I probably won't anymore, for awhile at least.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

David Davis

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2015, 01:01:11 PM »
http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/billy-horschel-apologizes-unacceptable-behavior-us-open?xid=golf_social


Clearly enough people called him on his behavior and perhaps he was even worried about that 10 million ;-)
Sharing the greatest experiences in golf.

IG: @top100golftraveler
www.lockharttravelclub.com

Wayne_Kozun

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2015, 01:17:05 PM »
A guy speaks his mind about the golf course, and as punishment you want to confiscate his historical earnings and his livelihood.  Is this forum based in North Korea?
Maybe we do have a similar cult of personality going on.  After all, this site is run by "Golf's most beloved figure".

Jud_T

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2015, 01:22:10 PM »
Horsch*t
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Dwight Phelps

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2015, 01:31:18 PM »

 And I also think it was unfortunate that the greens were bumpy, but that's life, deal with it with some class.

astavrides,

I know there was a bobble or two though nothing like some would have us believe but I never saw any put being deflected off line. I have to admit that I did not see that much other than Rory's last round plus a few highlights but even that meant seeing over 100 putts off which I saw 3 or 4 bobble but none knocked off line.

What I would note as I said before was the putt of Horschel shown in the youtube clip was clearly a misread of the player and not the fault of the green. Unfortunately the player did not have either the ability to understand this or else lacked the character to accept it.

Jon

Not sure where it's at, but there was a video of a Darren Clarke putt that wiggled right around the hole. And then the HUGE hop Snedeker's (sp?) putt took on 14 on Sun that appeared to contribute to it being too slow to make it all the at up the hill.

That said, I don't like the whining. Golf was never meant to be perfect.
"We forget that the playing of golf should be a delightful expression of freedom" - Max Behr

Michael Blake

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2015, 01:36:04 PM »
And then the HUGE hop Snedeker's (sp?) putt took on 14 on Sun that appeared to contribute to it being too slow to make it all the at up the hill.

Sned's putt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUv10mqOPM

RKoehn

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2015, 01:55:21 PM »
http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/billy-horschel-apologizes-unacceptable-behavior-us-open?xid=golf_social


Clearly enough people called him on his behavior and perhaps he was even worried about that 10 million ;-)

You sure seem to be obsessed with this guy's money (and taking it from him).  Jealousy will get you nowhere.

Ivan Lipko

Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2015, 02:04:36 PM »
I just read an interview with Willy Dudshell. He said PGA Tour sucks because all the courses are green, the fairways are narrow and manicured, the rough is sick and there is water everywhere. What a great gentleman and a class act. I think he deserves a special award, probably a Nobel Prize.

Pat Burke

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Horschel is el muerte to me
« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2015, 02:19:34 PM »
Obviously, I would look at things from a players perspective most times.
But I also was an assistant Supt for 5 years before qualifying for the tour.


I had a habit of answering a lot of questions without the benefit of a 10 second delay,
which became pretty popular with some writers.  I guess I wasn't smart enough to give
a canned response in order to avoid controversy.
It definitely bothers me to see the anger at the "millionaires,'spoiled babies, etc" who in many
cases are giving honest opinions on questions.  Some are certainly whinging, it is the US Open.
But, if we are going to ask players to be professional, what about the supposed professionals who created
what many of players believe were poor surfaces?  Chambers has had problems since it opened (not just this week)
with the fescue.  They have had to do massive amounts of extra work to provide surfaces, that approaching a month before the tournament seemed to be "acceptable".  So while the USGA talks about sustainability, and conservation, they waste enormous amounts of time and resources to force fescue in to a Poa/bent environment, force customers to temporary greens/pick up your ball, to get the greens reasonable, and then the USGA comes in and basically kills all that work, leaving a wobbly, inconsistent mess for greens.  All this in what is one of the 3 most important events in the world.  I would bet my lunch money that Fircrest's greens rolled better last week
So, while I believe some of the players could have behaved better, if the course was not pushed to the brink of dirt, there would have been a lot less ammunition for their guns.