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Bill Brightly

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Re: The infestation of poa annua at Chambers Bay?
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2015, 08:08:47 PM »
When I played at Bandon a few years ago, I was surprised that they didn't at least try to slow the infestation of poa by requiring all golfers to clean their shoes before teeing off. Would that have helped?

Tom_Doak

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Re: The infestation of poa annua at Chambers Bay?
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2015, 08:18:59 PM »
Bill -

My understanding is the chemicals that have been used over the years to combat nematodes are very toxic and have been banned. The climates of San Francisco and coastal Northern California are "ground zero" for nematode infestation.

DT


The nematode problem has gotten worse in the SF/Monterey area over the recent past due to a combination of causes:


a)  The nematodes have gradually developed resistance to Nemacure over generations of repeated exposure.  [The nematodes' life cycle is four months, so in thirty years they've had nearly 100 generations for evolution to favor those resistant to the pesticide.]  Unless you don't believe in evolution, in which case, it must be


b)  The greens are more stressed out generally because they are being maintained to a more difficult standard, so they are more susceptible to nematode damage.


It's probably a combination of both.


I don't know whether the same nematodes live up in the Pacific NW that do in Monterey and SF.  [I believe there are many different subspecies.]  In SF, the "solution" has been to remove the nematodes physically by rebuilding the greens, and then hope someone comes up with a better control for nematodes before the poa takes over again and the little buggers come back.  Some were hopeful they could keep poa out of the greens indefinitely with other chemicals, but it appears to be a losing battle.  And it's a losing battle whether they have bentgrass greens or fescue.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: The infestation of poa annua at Chambers Bay?
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2015, 08:20:37 PM »
When I played at Bandon a few years ago, I was surprised that they didn't at least try to slow the infestation of poa by requiring all golfers to clean their shoes before teeing off. Would that have helped?

Short answer is no.  Poa is going to go where it wants, especially in the pac nw, and golfers shoes are just one of a myriad of ways it will get there.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: The infestation of poa annua at Chambers Bay?
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2015, 03:42:36 AM »

b)  The greens are more stressed out generally because they are being maintained to a more difficult standard, so they are more susceptible to nematode damage.


Tom, so would raising the cutting heights help against the damage? If so this could lead to a reversal to the ever more flatter and duller greens.

Jon

Marc Haring

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Re: The infestation of poa annua at Chambers Bay?
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2015, 04:39:52 AM »
Fescue can work on it's own but you have to have the discipline to allow the greens to brown off every year to the point where poa dies. Not many clubs would except this but it is the only way of controlling the infestation. It has been pretty much universally said that fescue will not work as a monostand but it has been done at Castle Stuart and many true links courses as can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFuIKIMQIKc