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Howard Riefs

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File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« on: May 29, 2015, 12:04:41 PM »
« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 12:54:45 PM by Howard Riefs »
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Jonathan Mallard

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Re: File under "par is relative": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2015, 12:30:03 PM »
Might well be the first time we see a hole *average* greater than a full stroke under par.

I'm going to guess 2.96 for the day.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: File under "par is relative": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2015, 12:45:09 PM »
That's the thing with these great short par 4s -- it's the choices and expectations that hang up the pros. Do they try to drive the green for a chance at eagle (but thus bring bogey into the mix), or do they lay up with an iron and try to make birdie the old-fashioned way? Either way, standing on the tee believing that making a par will drop you a stroke behind the field -- now that's how you mess with these guys' heads.

Peter
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Matthew Rose

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Re: File under "par is relative": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2015, 12:49:42 PM »
What the....  did they let Mike Davis through the gates?  :P
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Benjamin Litman

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2015, 01:01:42 PM »
Mr. Woodland just made the first albatross on the hole. Expect more.
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Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2015, 01:34:01 PM »
The first article has been taken down and it appears the tour will now play it as a par three: http://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/news/2015/05/29/14th-hole-byron-nelson-adjustment-2nd-round.html
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Martin Toal

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2015, 02:58:59 PM »
14th is one of the few memorable holes on the course with the tee shot a key element of it. Pity.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2015, 04:42:30 PM »
That is almost as strange a story as when they gave all the competitors "par" on a hole during the final round of the 2010 (Actually it was the 2011 event played in 2010) South African Open at Durban.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 04:56:19 PM by Nigel Islam »
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mike_beene

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2015, 05:06:55 PM »
We had another 5 inches of rain last night.There was no choice.Par is 69 today.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 06:10:29 PM by mike_beene »
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Howard Riefs

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2015, 05:54:16 PM »
Quote from: Matt Frey, PGA on May 29, 2015, 01:34:01 PM
The first article has been taken down and it appears the tour will now play it as a par three: http://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/news/2015/05/29/14th-hole-byron-nelson-adjustment-2nd-round.html

Scratch that. Par is relevant according to the PGA Tour.
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MCirba

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2015, 05:56:56 PM »
Damn...I hate when that happens.
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Matthew Essig

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2015, 06:10:36 PM »
But when was the last time a course par 69 (or less) on tour?
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Sam Morrow

Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2015, 06:37:23 PM »
I'm impressed they are even playing, some terrible flooding all over the state right now.
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Sean_A

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2015, 02:21:28 AM »
Its about time par was put in its place as a way to easily recount score.  Par should have nothing to do with design principles.

Ciao
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2015, 03:18:02 AM »
Quote from: Sean_A on May 30, 2015, 02:21:28 AM
Its about time par was put in its place as a way to easily recount score.  Par should have nothing to do with design principles.

Ciao

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Ronald Montesano

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2015, 08:54:38 AM »
Quote from: Sean_A on May 30, 2015, 02:21:28 AM
Its about time par was put in its place as a way to easily recount score.  Par should have nothing to do with design principles.

Ciao

How does the PGA Tour decision corroborate this presumption of par having nothing to do with design principles?

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Philippe Binette

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Re: File under "par is irrelevant": 104-yard par 4 hole
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2015, 05:48:05 PM »
It reminds me when curtis strange insisted in the 1999 open championship , when the leader was way over par, that it s the player who plays the least number of shots that wins ....

Well , it s that reality week in week out !!!

Par could be 100 or 42, the player who shoot 270 for 4 rounds beats 271 .
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