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Tommy_Naccarato

Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« on: May 20, 2003, 11:05:58 AM »
To lead away from what has become a time honored tradition here on GCA, of one person claiming bias to another, I would like to present to this erudite group a course that has captured my eye from afar--Sutton Bay Golf Club.



I never heard of the course until I was presented a recent copy of Landscapes Unlimited's quaterly newsletter announcing the completion of Sutton Bay Golf club, located on the shores of Lake Oahe, part of the Missouri River Breaks, in the wilds of South Dakota. While I have yet to see it in person, I can say that the images of the site and the work by one of the bigger names (LU) in golf construction looks to be pretty fine. Enough when transplanted SD native, now residing in South Carolina, Daryl Boe sees this, I'm sure he is going to be scheduling a trip home with the full intent of telling his wife that their son needs to visit his grandparents in South Dakota, while he goes and plays a little golf.:)



Designed by the Australian firm of Graham Marsh & Associates, the course seems to maintain all of the principles of what we like here on GCA. Quirky routing, rough-edged and very natural looking bunkering, WALKABLE, wonderful pristine setting that is free from outside man-made elements. The Club is embracing the idea the Golf, Fishing and Hunting go hand in hand, and while not in the famed Sand Hills, seems to embody the style of club that is located in the wilds of the mid-west. There is duplex cottages and a inn on site that will see to the needs of all of the members of this private facility, and if anything, shows that there is a market for MORE courses like it throughout the middle United States.

In fact, this model of golf club is eeriely similar to what Dick Daley and Paul Hermsmeyer want to do with similar parcels in Nebraska.











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THuckaby2

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2003, 11:16:45 AM »
Holey moley... thanks Thomas... and DAMN YOU!  As if I don't have enough "gotta get there immediately if it kills me to do so" courses already... jeez, the look of this - minus the lake - is eerily similar to Sand Hills....

Suffice to say it looks incredible.  Thanks for the effort putting it where we can see it.

TH
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Michael Dugger

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2003, 11:51:42 AM »
Wow!!

double wow!!
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Darren_Kilfara

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2003, 12:12:32 PM »
Wow, indeed. Thanks, Tommy, for posting the photos.

By the way, the picture third from the end caught my eye, because the hole featured in the bottom-middle of the photo appears to do something I've never, ever seen or even heard of before: you've got two fairways to aim at, but the one on the right just stops dead (in a cul-de-sac) a long way from the green. Judging strictly by the photo, it looks to me as though the strategy works pretty well - the right side is more hittable off the tee but leaves a tougher angle into the green. Anyone ever seen a hole like that before?

Cheers,
Darren
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2003, 01:28:41 PM »
NOT FAIR!

You posted pictures without any manufactured containment.
There will be absolutely nothing to say but....

What an amazing fit into the land.
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Norbert P

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2003, 04:17:18 PM »
 Thanks Tommy.  How did this gem get built under our radar?  

A Graham Marsh design.
No housing
Gun shootin'
Fishin'

 Another entry into the High Plains Trail ?

For a small article...  (be careful, they speak of two courses - I confused some facts- modified.   Thanks, bakerg)

   www.GolfCourseNews.com/2003.04/depts/news/topstory3.htm

(I assume it's a time urgent article.)

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George Pazin

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2003, 04:59:17 PM »
Darren -

That looks like a teeing area to me.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2003, 08:13:58 PM »
I'll see if the guy from Sutton Bay is interested in posting or looking in, if he isn't already. (Mark, are you there?):)

Darren,
Schmidt & Curley have a very simlar hole @ Oak Quarry where the upper right fairway endsin the cul-de-sac, and the lower much harder fairway to hit is lower left. In the image below, you can't see allof the right fairway, but it is quite wide and is used a lot simply because the lower is much harder to hit, but it give you a blind second into the green. Its a good hole, if not one of the better ones at Oak Quarry.
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Darren_Kilfara

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2003, 12:27:39 AM »

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Darren -

That looks like a teeing area to me.

George - what looks like a teeing area to you? (Are we looking at the same photo? Third from bottom, the aerial view? The tee for the hole must be below the edge of the photo, along the path that just ends in shot.)

Tommy - thanks for the comparison, although I can't really tell where the harder-to-hit fairway is (and is it advantageous to try to hit it?).

Cheers,
Darren
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Tim Taylor

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2003, 04:21:22 AM »
Gorgeous. Stunning. I wonder if they have the population to support the course.

TimT
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bakerg

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2003, 05:40:02 AM »
Maybe I am reading this wrong, but the I think the $27 greens fee is for the Red Rock course built nearby not the Sutton Bay course.  I think the Sutton Bay course is a private club.  
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George Pazin

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2003, 06:15:20 AM »
Got to my bigger work computer this morning - I think you're right. I thought yesterday that the area is question looked more graded like a tee.

Haven't run through all the holes in my head yet, but there's gotta be one at Tobacco Road like that.

Is South Dakota anywhere near New Mexico? :)
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Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

bakerg

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2003, 06:30:35 AM »
Interesting article about this new course.  Half the founders are memebers at Sand Hills.  There is also a par 3 course.


http://www.cybergolf.com/region.asp?id=1200&placeID=3

Birdies & Birds in the Wilds of South Dakota
 One of the least likely places you’d expect to find a private golf club would be in remote north-central South Dakota. But such is the case with a new private golf and bird-hunting preserve called Sutton Bay Club. Now under development, the facility is patterned after the highly regarded, private Sand Hills Golf Club in Nebraska. Indeed, half of Sutton Bay’s founders are Sand Hills members.  
 
Sutton Bay Club will feature a links-style, 7,200-yard layout and par-3 nine designed by Graham Marsh, the former PGA Tour player from Australia, and built by Bill Kubly of Landscapes Unlimited, who's also a partner in the project. The site was owned by the Sutton family, which farmed the property until a dam was built in 1961 that created Lake Oahe, a 240-mile-long body. The Sutton's lost over 15,000 acres because of the dam, but gained beautiful new Sutton Bay.  
 
The property is in the flight path of migratory birds that head south out of Canada in the fall and return northward in the spring. Approximately 2,500 acres of the 4,600-acre preserve will be used for pheasant hunting from September 1 through March 31. The golf course will be augmented by a clubhouse/lodge with 18 rooms as well as a luxury four-plex unit and duplexes. All told, Sutton Bay Club will have 50 beds for overnight stays by the members. All facilities are slated to be completed by July of 2003.  
 
The golf course is being carved out of the dramatic landforms of the Missouri River “Breaks” region of South Dakota. The site closely resembles the terrain found on some of the finest courses in the British Isles. While not a links course by strict definition, as it does not reside by the ocean, Lake Oahe-bordering Sutton Bay enjoys all the characteristics associated with a links.  
 
In addition to what promises to be a superb test of golf, the club will offer members plenty of hunting and fishing chances. Lake Oahe is located in the central flyway for hundreds of thousands of Canada Geese migrating from Canada to the southern U.S. A private lake is also being developed on the property. The lake will be aerated so it remains open all winter long. Hunters of all skill levels will be challenged with hunts in food plots of corn, milo, and sorghum, tree belts, waterways, and grasslands. Experienced guides with trained dogs will lead all hunts. Licensing and other necessary services will be handled on-site, thus guaranteeing members a stress-free and successful hunting environment.  
 
Some of the best walleye lakes in the U.S. are near Sutton Bay; Lake Oahe has been written about in nearly every fishing magazine. A 14-pound 2-ounce walleye has been caught in the lake, and the state record Chinook salmon (21 pounds, 2 ounces) was caught in late September 2002. Lake Oahe also contains catfish, smallmouth bass and other game fish. Sutton Bay members will have access to professional guides, equipped with boats and all necessary fishing gear, who will pick members up at the club's boat ramp and take them to the lake’s hot spots.  
 
Sutton Bay is an invitation-only club. For more information, call managing partner, Mark Amundson, at 605/359-6911.  
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2003, 07:13:29 AM »
As I understand it, Sutton Bay is Bill Kubly's brainchild.  They had worked with Graham Marsh on a couple of other courses and really liked him.

I'll probably go see the course later this summer, and I'm excited to see it.  That said, some of the pictures look a little too stark to me -- looks like you've got to carry a lot of gunch before you get to those greens and bunkers.  I hope that's just a bad perspective from the photos.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2003, 08:39:34 AM »
This Sutton Bay project is errily similar to one described to me by the elusive Mr Newkirk, promoter of the abandoned project in the Sand Hills north of Sutherland.  The abandoned project, that Lou Duran and I had a walk-about to see in its abandoned partially grubbed out state also had a game bird ranch with a completed trap-skeet shooting range and club house that Lou didn't see, but I had previously seen.  Newkirk had stated that he had 3 properties scouted out, one in the Dakotas, and one in Montana (from fleeting memory) that actually had more priority and potential than the Sutherland property.  I heard from the land owners of the Sutherland property, after it went to pot, that one of the hang-ups was Kubly wanting a bigger piece of the deal for the work his LU would be doing.  The theme was the same.  Exclusive get-away for corporate types to hunt, ride and golf.  Now it seems world class fishing is also in the mix.  I don't know if this Sutton Bay project is actually one of the properties Newkirk described, but with Kubly in on it, it sure seems like it.  For the record, this is hours away from Mt Rushmore, and 45 minutes to an hour from Pierre.  

The fact of the matter is, that there are a gazzilion places in the vast empty northern prairie and plains to site these sort of clubs.  Paul Hermsmeyer has a piece of beautiful property in the real Sand Hills.  It is obvious that one can not in any way describe this land at Sutton Bay as Sand Hills or links.  It is very interesting terrain to be sure, but like Red Mike in N.D., and Links of S.D and other courses cropping up on windswept prairie of rolling sandy-rock scrabble, the true nature of what we know as Sand Hills with pure sand and real native prairie grasses that is perfect for this type of golf, is not what this Sutton Bay appears to be.  

But, the result of golf design at Sutton Bay appears very attractive, and apparently not many will see it due to more exclusivity.  :-/
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George Pazin

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2003, 09:30:20 AM »

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Sutton Bay is an invitation-only club.

Doesn't sound like a Dick Daley project to me! :)
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Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

RJ_Daley

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2003, 09:45:00 AM »
The exclusivity factor of such places as these corporate get-aways is for me the reason why Wild Horse is still the King of prairie-links golf.  You can be whoever you are from where ever you come from and know no one, and play almost any day you like, meet a wide variety of poeple and walk away with a rare and almost exclusive experience to have played one of the best.
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Mark_Amundson

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2003, 12:29:18 PM »
I have enjoyed reading the various comments and notes about Sutton Bay.  My name is Mark Amundson and I am one of the partners and the GM of Sutton Bay.  This project has been a great deal of fun to develop and we are looking forward to getting open soon.  As some have noted, it is a private club and membership is by invitation.  The good news is that we will allow people who are not members to come as a guest of the club if they call or write to me at Sutton Bay.  The address is:

Mark Amundson
Sutton Bay
28950 Sutton Bay Trail
Agar, SD  57520
605-264-5530

This opportunity will be for 2003 and possibly into 2004 depending on membership development.  We have golf, hunting, fishing, sporting clays, lodging and just a great place to relax.  I have been a golf enthusiast all my life and I have not seen a more beautiful place to develop a project.  I am obviously biased and am a South Dakota native and proud of my state.

To answer a few questions, the picture some have been discussing is of #15 and it is a par 5.  You can drive it either left or right of the bunkers, if you drive it right then you have to hit it across the native back to the fairway.  If you drive it left you can go for the green.  It is a great hole and one of my favorite looks from the tee.  The entire course is very natural and there are very few difficult forced carries on the course.  If you choose to play the skull tees then you will be asked to hit a few challenging drives, as it should be.

Graham Marsh has poured his heart and soul into Sutton Bay.  He is here this week working on the final lines for the bunker edges and has been spending 10-12 hours each day with a shovel and a rake in his hand.  It is a labor of love for him.  I see a number of people brought up the Sand Hills, Sutton Bay is similar to the Sand Hills really only in the fact that it is remote.  I think the tww courses are dramatically different and so is the entire feel of the project.  I can guarantee that you will love Sutton Bay and if you are a golf enthusiast you should come and see us.

Take care and enjoy your summer.
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George Pazin

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2003, 02:00:31 PM »
Mr. Admundson -

Thank you for participating - it's always terrific to get input from the individuals involved in a project. Glad to hear you're allowing GCA junkies to get their fix by contacting you. I understand there are legal complications that preclude everyone from doing this, so it's nice to see the extra effort from a private club.
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Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Michael Dugger

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2003, 02:12:24 PM »
I second what George said.  GCA.com is such a neat thing in that those of us from all over the world can see what is going on in places such as remote South Dakota.  As someone who has worked for LUI, it looks like perhaps this will be a crown jewel, of sorts, in Mr. Kubly's portfolio.

It is so refreshing to hear about Mr. Marsh getting out in the field with shovel in hand.  I think it goes without saying that it shows in the final product.    

  

  
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What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2003, 02:16:51 PM »
I spent a winter near there back when I had hair. I can say without question that is not the January look of the course. Nice pictures Tommy. You know those guys have a nice jet to tool around in. Maybe they will pick up the Emperor and let him see it in person.
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Richard Chamberlain

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2003, 03:52:54 PM »
Hi Mark,

A few of the guys here are commenting on how well the layout fits on the site. I heard from an educated source (the baldy headed bloke in the Gold Coast office) that there was actually plenty of dirt moved on the project. How much was moved ?

I hope all is well with the family, and say hi to Swamp.

Cheers
Dr Kildare.
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2003, 07:58:41 PM »
How exciting and unusual is it to hear that a touring professional architect is working the dirt to create the detailed touches on a course that bears his name?

That tells me about all I need to know re: Sutton Bay and whether the final product is as good as it looks when all is said and done, it seems that it won't be for want of effort and love of the process of creation.  
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grampa

Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2003, 12:51:56 PM »
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Sutton Bay Golf Club--Not Just Golf, But More
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2003, 07:06:33 AM »
Just adding a new article from Super News about Sutton Bay:

http://www.golfweek.com/articles/2003/superintendent/architecture/33388.asp

And the club web site:

http://www.suttonbay.com/default.asp#

and pics:







I actually missed this original thread.
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