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Sean_A

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SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close New
« on: April 14, 2015, 04:16:19 AM »
1888 map.


Players Cigarettes Map


Since its inception Sandwich has been controversial due to the perceived premium placed on long hitting and the reliance on the vagaries of the terrain.  The club founder, Scotsman Laidlaw Purves, must have had connections with the R&A for despite the polarized opinion, within five years of its founding, Royal St Georges Golf Club hosted the Amateur.  Two years later, in 1894, JH Taylor was the first winner of an Open held south of the border.  326, the highest winning score in Open history, confirmed the rugged reputation of Sandwich. Despite many changes aimed at reducing blindness and generally modernizing the links, Purves would yet recognize the formidable character of the links. Purves too would be pleased that Royal St Georges has remained at the heart of English golf.  The club has hosted the Open on 14 occasions, the Amateur 13 times, The Walker Cup, The Curtis Cup, the English Amateur, the Home Internationals and the Brabazon Trophy.

The original concept of Sandwich was a golfing club not too distant from London which afforded its members the opportunity to escape the ever increasing crowds on the courses near the city.  While there are today many fine courses which are not terribly crowded, London is heavily represented in the membership roll.  Not surprisingly, the club is very traditional and exhibits a reserved yet approachable demeanour.  For instance, seemingly, very little changes, but recently the club took the momentous step to allow women to be proposed for membership. As an early advocate of women’s golf, Mr Purves might very well have had the last laugh on this matter.  On the links too there was change unrelated to stiffening the test for the professionals.  Not of the club’s doing, but never the less, the demolition of the Richborough power station cooling towers was a sad day for some as it was the most recognizable landmark on the horizon. 

Changes to the course continue to this day as recently the bunker behind the 12th was removed and a bunker was added on the right side of the 9th fairway.  These of course are not nearly as serious as the changes which took place in the 70s.  After a long hiatus in hosting the Open, the club decided to engage Frank Pennink to remove some of the idiosyncratic elements of Sandwich, thus the blind third so loved by Bernard Darwin gave way to a rather modern and predictable long par 3.  The new 8th on the other hand, a par 3 converted into a formidable par 4 echoes the Sandwich of 100 years ago.  The final major change was the creation of the 11th, another drive and pitch hole converted into a rather charmless long one-shotter. Despite the many alterations, the original routing, save for the old Maiden 5th, remains in place. I suspect few courses over 130 years can make this claim.

Looking at the club entrance it is hard to imagine a course of distinction lays beyond. 


I am astonished the course is only 6340 from the daily markers.  Sandwich plays far longer and most handicap players can expect a load of wood play. 


The 1st tee now and then. 




The first is a curious start being a 100 yard or so walk from the club garden.  The land for the first half of the hole isn't distinctly different from that covered during the walk.  It isn't until the approach over scattered bunkers that we see and feel the rumpled links.  Sandwich has a few such instances where the fairway does not cover the area which affords the best line.  The best line of approach is to the right of the photo in the meadowy rough, hence we have the situation of a forced carry.     


One of the few criticisms that can be levelled at St Georges is the consistent 75-100 yard walks between greens and tees.  I suspect this is the bi-product of lengthening the course over the years, but in the case of the 2nd there is the advantage of a strategic drive with the tee well right of the 1st green hard on the inland side of the course.  One can play well left over a low dune housing sand or play safely to the right...for most right is right.  It is the second shot which is of most interest.  There is a large hollow which sheds approaches from the front right of the green.  Often times, the golfer can't see this hollow.  Pictured is that intrepid South African, Philip Gawith. 


For the bold off the tee, below is a look at the advantage which can be gained. 


I am not convinced by the merits of long par 3s with tiered greens and that is exactly what #3 provides.  Although, in the winter months there is the possibility that balls can run down from the right.  An unusual aspect of this hole is the lack of bunkering.  This must be one of the few examples of the Open rota courses.


The old 3rd green (Sahara) was located on a similar line to the current, but to the right. The tee shot was directly behind the 2nd green and played toward the 4th hole bunkers before hooking left. It may have played as a bogey 4 due to the odd turn left around sand. What is interesting in the photo below is the bunkers on the 4th are clearly visible.  It is also worth noting that the 1888 map indicates the hole was 267 yards.  The photo below indicates the hole was 238 yards.


Considering the club has gone to great lengths to eliminate blindness over the past 100+ years it is remarkable how many times we don't see the landing zones.  The 4th isn't strictly one of those holes; wisely, fairway runs left around the prominent bunkers.  However, for many, the line will be between the bunkers.  This is another hole where the best line of approach is well into the right rough where in places it is jungle country. 


Back in the day.


Keeping left over a heaving fairway for the long second shot we encounter a green not unlike the 2nd...if we alter the angle.  The greens have a definite theme of large drops-offs (either left or right) or false-fronts.  Some lower areas are part of the green, but more often than not the sharp fall-away feeds to fairway.  In the case of the 4th, the low front left is part of the green, but I doubt the hole is ever cut in this section.


Now well and truly amongst the stately dunes for which St Georges is renowned, the 5th is day in and day out one of the most difficult drives one is likely to encounter.  Together with the 3, 8 & 11, the next two holes are among the more radical amendments to the original design.  Pegwell Bay is straight ahead, but the drive on what was once a short hole is anything but straightforward.  If one hopes to glimpse the flag for the second there is a virtual postage stamp for a landing zone which is chaperoned by a left bunker and formidable rough.  One has to wonder if a great deal of luck isn't in play should one somehow finish in the pound seats.   The safe (relatively speaking) drive.


The pound seats.


The old Maiden.  The hole originally played from where the current 5th fairway breaks up, the ideal spot to see the current green.  For safety reasons to protect from incoming tee shots from the 5th, after WWI the tee was moved close to the current 5th green and played over the lower section of the dune, thereby dramatically reducing Maiden's menace.


Old Maiden green as seen from atop Maiden.  The bold 7th is in the background. Notice the fairway pocket between bunkers just over the dune and on the far side of the fairway; not much has changed.


Looking back toward the tee.


In the 1930s Maiden was turned about 90 degrees from the original, heading away from the coast with Maiden flanking the left.  Not an exceptional hole, but the short 6th enclosed by dunes is most welcome after the rigours of 4 and 5. 


We face another blind drive on the 7th, although the consequences for the wrong line are not so dire as on the 4th.  With the drive safely away there is little pressure impeding us from earning a 5.  I have a recollection of a few bunkers embeded in the carry dune, but perhaps I am mistaken.  The bunkers may have been removed long ago. I suspect one day they will be reinstated.


Back in the day.


This photo of the sharp legger left underscores the importance of an accurate tee shot.

 
A long walk back to the 8th tee sets up yet another memorable par 4.  The hole essentially doglegs right around the old Hades, the short hole replaced in favour of the new par 4. The drive is paramount as staying left for a view of the green cocooned among the dunes is an immense advantage.  It is strange then the right corner of the dog leg is defended by two blind bunkers.  Below is a look from the end of the fairway. It isn't evident that there is quite a large dead ground area which plays with depth perception and can also serve as a hospitable lay-up space.   


More to follow.

Ciao
« Last Edit: July 16, 2021, 01:33:22 AM by Sean_A »
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 04:37:20 AM »
Martin Ebert is consulting at Sandwich now. They have rebuilt a few bunkers this winter with more to follow. In particular the big bunkers on the fourth are in very bad condition and need rebuilding, which is planned for later this year. The plan is to remove the timber and have them blowout style.
Adam Lawrence

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Mark Chaplin

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-7
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 05:32:11 AM »
Adam they've taken out the bunker at the back of the 12th green, making for an awkward chip for the better player. The great looking coffin bunker hard left on the edge of the 17th green has been replaced by two boring pot bunkers, IMO a nice old feature has been lost.

Played 2 rounds on Saturday and the wind switched 180 degrees morning to afternoon, the 6th and 16th were solid 5 irons in the morning and different holes in the afternoon.
Cave Nil Vino

Michael Felton

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-7
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 11:48:43 AM »
Adam they've taken out the bunker at the back of the 12th green, making for an awkward chip for the better player. The great looking coffin bunker hard left on the edge of the 17th green has been replaced by two boring pot bunkers, IMO a nice old feature has been lost.

Played 2 rounds on Saturday and the wind switched 180 degrees morning to afternoon, the 6th and 16th were solid 5 irons in the morning and different holes in the afternoon.

Mark - that wind switch happened in about 2 minutes when the cold front with a little bit of rain came through. I was over at Princes playing in the Hewitt Plate (bah!).

Brent Hutto

Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-8
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 11:55:21 AM »
Last time Tony M. and I played at Deal (or maybe time before last) we had one of those wind switches. We managed to get downwind on the opening holes and then downwind starting about halfway through the 13th and on to the end.

About Royal St. George's, on my last trip there I played 36. Gorgeous, warm, sunny day with a fair breeze in the AM. During the first few holes of the PM round the breeze was dying down then while I was standing in the 14th fairway with my back to the seawall it was like a wall of cold, clammy fog came rolling up behind me. I swear in 10 seconds time the temperature dropped from 75F to 60F and I could see my breath condensing in front of me.

By the time I finished the hole and teed of on 15 the fog had lifted, sun was back out and it was beautiful the rest of the round. Very strange experience.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-8
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 04:56:26 PM »
Michael we spotted a few unhappy souls at Princes! Nice to see some of our young members who attended Kings Canterbury making the Hewitt final for the first time.
Cave Nil Vino

Sean_A

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-8 New
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2015, 05:54:03 AM »
Chappers

A 5 iron on 6 & 16 doesn't strike me as an unsual amount of club.  On Sunday, I hit a 2 hybrid to 16...the wind was at least 4 clubs.  To give you another idea of the wind...I hit driver-wedge to 13!

SANDWICH TOUR CONT.

The set of short two-shotters at Sandwich is remarkable and under-rated.  #s 2, 9, 10 & 12 are individually special and very different from one another.  Unusually, I don't get the impression that one should be driveable.  The 9th is similar to 1 & 4 with the awkard angle of approach being short grass.  A new bunker blind from the tee discourages the players laying up to the right in the hopes of finding a good lie.  Below is the typical, but uninviting approach from the fairway.


From this angle we can see the trouble with playing slightly long.  A lay-up isn't a bad play even if it wouldn't occur to most. 


The 10th always reminds me of a better version of Dornoch's 16th.  The drive is much easier, but the approach is far more demanding.  This is also one of several holes which exemplifies the abundance of Sandwich's diversity.  It may not seem to be the case, but if ever a straight drive should be required it is on the 10th.


The false front and difficulties of approaching from the wings are more evident from this angle.


More to follow.

Ciao
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-10
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2015, 06:16:57 AM »
Sean,

it has been a long time since I played St. Georges and the memory is hazy but I do recall the quality of the actual putting complexes. It did not really feel like an Open venue to me probably due to been out in the sticks with neither town or hotel really close by. I did really enjoy my game there. On the point of the 10th and the 16th at Dornoch I think the big difference is you can see the front and sides of the green at St.Gs where as at Dornoch it is a vague idea of where it is at.

Jon

Phil McDade

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-10
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2015, 10:17:12 AM »
The greatest course in England, according to the late James Finegan.

Jack Nicklaus' least-favorite of the current Open championship rota courses.

Michael Felton

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-10
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2015, 12:46:19 PM »
Looking at these photos having just been playing there last week, it is really quite fascinating to see how much the photos reduce the appearance of the slopes. The banks around the 9th green are really quite extreme and look much flatter in the photos. It's very difficult to play the approach to the 9th green without it hitting and sticking at the front or releasing over the back. On Friday morning the pin was only just past that bank on the front left of the green. Virtually impossible to get it close, even with a short club in. Likewise the 10th green from the fairway is up a pretty large hill, but is reduced in appearance quite a bit in the photos. This golf course really does have to be seen in the flesh to understand what it's really like.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-10
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2015, 04:16:04 PM »
10 at RSG and RCP are holes that grow on you with multiple plays, both appear to present a safe par chance and possible birdie opportunity, yet it's easy to hit five half decent shots and take six.

Playing with Sean, Phillip and Dan on Saturday afternoon I had the same approach on 10 as the morning, around 85 yards from the left semi. In the morning it was our third shot and in the afternoon Dan had crushed a drive. It's almost impossible to stay on the fairway, so coming in from the left with the traps waiting for any weak shot to roll off to the left is the norm. I hit a perfect, crisp sand iron that pitched on the false front yet only stopped a coue of paces from falling off the back of the green. It's a great hole.
Cave Nil Vino

Brent Hutto

Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-10
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2015, 04:24:02 PM »
If I had to play one hole 18 times to have a round of golf, I'd probably pick the tenth at Deal. Something about it combines visual and playing appeal and fact is, absent a strong breeze it's possible to think of birdie as within reason every time you tee it up there.

But I've got to say that the three-hole stretch commencing with the tenth at Sandwich is to my mind superior to just about any three links holes I've played. The tenth is magnificent, the tee shot at the long Par 3 eleventh is one I recall frequently (perhaps because my ideal shot there is a drawing lefty 3-iron which I actually pulled off once and made par) then I think the twelfth is a very underrated mid-length two-shotter.

I guess I'm getting ahead of Sean's tour though. The only thing bad I can say about the 10-11-12 stretch at Royal St. George's is that the tee shot on the next hole (13) usually harshes my good buzz.

Sean_A

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-10 New
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2015, 05:13:45 AM »
Jon

I agree with you concerning the greens...very good without being OTT.

Adam

What do you think about the blow-out decision on #4?  The current look is a bit iconic and it may be a shame to lose it.  I like that the bunkers aren't revetted so I hope that isn't in the plan as well.

SANDWICH TOUR CONT.

The 11th is basically a shortened version of the old hole. I am not a fan of long par 3s unless there is a twist on offer.  It seems to be a modern concept of championship golf that a course should have at least one very long short hole.  There is plenty of big golf on offer at Sandwich and in general I fail to see why it should be required once more for a par 3. I am not only hesitant about the concept, but I don't believe the 11th brings anything particularly noteworthy to the table.


The final and perhaps best of the marvelous set of drive and pitch holes; #12 will often be the last opportunity to earn a relatively easy 4...and have a bundle of fun doing so.  The drive is fairly non-descript and many will be suckered into playing too far right.  A view of the flag is a strong temptation, but unless one is extremely long, the counter-intuitive play is just inside the left bunker.   


Once over the ridge and on the washboard fairway amongst a seemingly indefinite number of bunkers, there is a myriad of various approaches one may face. 




13-15 is an admirable triangle of holes...all stout and enduring.  The flat land explains the increased reliance on bunkering. The same 8-10 foot ridge which troubles the golfer on 12 is on hand to vex at 13.  As on the 7th, #13 is a hole one must go in search of to find the fairway.  The hole doesn't so much bend left..it forks left.  There used to be a clock on the old Princes clubhouse which shephered the golfer through the blind drive.  When the Princes Lodge was built this nicety was not included.  Although, according to the caddies, the right corner of the building is line which will thread a tee shot safely between bunkers.


The green has a shelving effect running through its width from left to right. The high point is just left of the flag shadow.


More to follow.

Ciao
« Last Edit: May 27, 2021, 01:51:37 AM by Sean_A »
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-10
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2015, 05:27:41 AM »
Sean post 20 pictures of RStG and 1 will identify the course to most golfers, the bunkers on 4. The cost of upkeep maybe high and they don't come into play much but I do think their loss in their current form will be very sad.

The 5th is IMO a very weak hole, the ideal driving position is the size of a cricket wicket 20x5 yards, it's no wonder the longer hitters in the Open take on the green, the reward for solid safety play just isn't there.   
Cave Nil Vino

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-13
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2015, 08:15:24 AM »
Nice report thank you.
Wow Brent it’s not often I disagree with you but, not even my favourite stretch at RSG
Apart from No3 the front nine at RSG is as good as it gets for me. When they grant complementaries, they set us off from 10 and maybe I prefer the course that way. (Apart from the drive from the Clubhouse of course).
But I’m not so keen on 10 as some of you. The drive is pretty flat and uninteresting and the second shot really does have great appeal and as Michael says those who only know it from pictures are in for a BIG surprise. My problem comes if you miss the green the sides are so steep they can’t be maintained and sometimes finding a ball is difficult and recovering for ordinary mortals is impossible. So it’s a hole I love precisely because I don’t play it that often.
No 11 same as Sean for me. Maybe it just looks better to a left who wants to hit a running draw?
12 is one of my favourite holes pretty much anywhere.  Get over the ridge and you can stil end up with some interesting linksy lies.

From there 13-15 are all solid holes but perhaps lacking in the inspiration found on the front 9? Agreed the terrain isn’t ideal but we are talking about a great course and this is why I find the back 9 easily the lesser of the two. Love the finish though.

If you haven’t played there don’t be put off by my nitpicking!.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Michael Felton

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-13
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2015, 08:37:42 AM »
It took me 20 years of playing there, but I did last year finally figure out that the line off the 13th tee is indeed the right edge of the Princes lodge.

Mark - there is another option on the 5th, which is to play safer out to the right a bit. It leaves you a longer shot in, but avoids the risk of those bunkers. I don't think there's any harm in it being that hard to hit the perfect spot. I find that easier to hit than the fairway on 15 threading through those godforsaken bunkers, with so little definition around the hole. Third option when the rough is down like now is to hit it left. You get a much shorter shot in although you can't see the green.

Sean_A

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-13 New
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2015, 06:16:02 AM »
Chappers

While #5 isn't my favourite hole, it is far from weak.  As Michael states, there is room out right...which is the way I suspect most people play anyway. 

Spangles - I am slowly changing my opinion on the great quality disparity between the 9s.  When I break down my favourites; 2, 4, 9, 12, 15 & 16 it comes out pretty even.  Each 9 has a par 3 which doesn't do a lot for me, but the back 9 has the superior par 5 which is actually a very good hole.  Chuck in the 10th and the very good 17th and I think that so called disparity fades away.  Most people opt for the more dunesy land, but it takes good flat holes to complete the picture and Sandwich excells in this regard. 

SANDWICH TOUR CONT.

The namesake of the fourteenth awaits the golfer off the tee...in the summer anyway  8) .  After a brief pause to debate if The Suez Canal is reachable, one must hit and hope if he wants to reach this green in two.  The bold line is down the right with the dreaded stakes standing erect and brightly white, the colour of danger in golf circles.  The safer line left leaves yet another perilous decision to be made for the next shot.


A relatively easy pitch remains for the brave who are successful at taking on the trouble for the second shot..


The final leg of the triangle brings us back near the 13th tee and 12th green  There are a few other triangles (but not successive holes) which make it convenient for those not wanting to play 18 holes; a design benefit not often properly recognized.  After #9 one can jump on 17 for an eleven hole loop.  Players can also move from #2 to #9 tee without much hassle and from there complete a boozer's loop of 1, 2, 9, 17 & 18. But let us get back to the fantastic 15th.  As is often the case at Sandwich, the drive is not well defined nor visually impressive.  The 15th is slightly out of character with the other holes as the fairway bunkers in the driving zone pinch and those further up the fairway are akin to the Thames Barrier.  One must pay the toll previously to have a chance at passing through (over) the gates. The long approach is very exacting in either trying to carry the three fairway bunkers or the green.   The green feeds from left to right with a lip on the high side which may aid the ever so slightly pulled approach.  The common error is to lose one right from which there is a reasonable hope of a good recovery.   


More to follow.

Ciao
« Last Edit: May 27, 2021, 01:54:29 AM by Sean_A »
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Michael Felton

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-15
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2015, 09:19:10 AM »
Sean - what are your thoughts on the new green on 14? From a scoring perspective, I definitely preferred the old one, but the new one gives me fits with the second shot. Those two bunkers short are perfectly placed to make it more awkward and if you wimp out and hit it left, your approach shot is about 100 times harder than from the right hand side. I love holes that give you the option of when you want to take the difficulty. Lay up or pitch. The great thing about this hole is it starts on the tee. The lay up is far easier from the right side of the fairway, but it's a brave soul who hits it there on purpose (or a lucky/stupid one).

15 is just really hard. The tees we played it from last week were about 435 into the wind. There's another tee back at 478. In one respect it's easier from there because you don't have to worry about the bunkers off the tee, but on the other hand, you can't get there in two...(I can't anyway - we could barely get there from the 436 tee).

Bill_McBride

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-15
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2015, 08:53:59 PM »
Do the big hitters carry the Suez with their tee shots?

I was so intimidated I topped my second into it twice!

Thomas Dai

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2015, 04:27:20 AM »
Martin Ebert is consulting at Sandwich now. They have rebuilt a few bunkers this winter with more to follow. In particular the big bunkers on the fourth are in very bad condition and need rebuilding, which is planned for later this year. The plan is to remove the timber and have them blowout style.

How long have the sleepers been part of the tee shot bunkers on the 4th? Anyone have a photo they could post of what the bunkers were like before the sleepers were installed?

atb
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-15
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2015, 05:32:22 AM »
Bill I've never seen anyone carry the canal, Michael may have seen a Hewitt player take it on down wind when the match was in a hopeless position? Its a 300+ yard carry and IMO a risk shot with no real reward.

Now the green has been softened a tad its a very good hole. Sean's picture of Phillip playing the approach shows it's a high tariff lay up to come in from the ideal line. Play left and your approach is over bunkers with OOB looming very close to the edge of the green. The hole cost Johnson any chance of winning the 2011 Open
Cave Nil Vino

Michael Felton

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-15
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2015, 07:48:57 AM »
Bill I've never seen anyone carry the canal, Michael may have seen a Hewitt player take it on down wind when the match was in a hopeless position? Its a 300+ yard carry and IMO a risk shot with no real reward.

Now the green has been softened a tad its a very good hole. Sean's picture of Phillip playing the approach shows it's a high tariff lay up to come in from the ideal line. Play left and your approach is over bunkers with OOB looming very close to the edge of the green. The hole cost Johnson any chance of winning the 2011 Open

I've never even seen anyone in the burn. It's a heck of a long way. Never seen the pros try it either. Risk is very high and it's a heck of a long carry. Got to be 320 I would think to be safe. Depending on the tees. I did hear about a Hewitt player who hit his drive out of bounds on the 18th. Maybe he could think about it.

Sean_A

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-15 New
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2015, 07:24:33 PM »
Michael

The newish work on 14 has now made the hole quite strategic. Before the OOB wasn't used as well to offer a clear advantage for taking it on.  Thumbs up for me.

SANDWICH TOUR CONT

If the round has clobbered your soul the sight of the house mercifully looms in the distance (middle right), but we musn't be over-anxious as three holes remain. It is difficult to understand how any course, let alone one of St Georges reputation, could possibly not have at least one great par 3. Sorry to say, but that is the case.  Other than the long walks between greens and tees, the short holes are the only negative commentary I can countenance.  Even so, just as 6 is a bit of a break, so it can be true for the 16th.  There are several acres of big hitting before and after so a power interruption is a blessing despite the rather straight forward nature of the hole. 




More to follow.

Ciao
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Peter Pallotta

Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-16
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2015, 09:50:07 PM »
Thanks, Sean, as always. I only know the Open rota from photos; these photos present a course that seems both typical and atypical of that rota. It's interesting to read your posts carefully and reflect on the reasons why. 

Btw, most already know that Fleming used Sandwich as the model for Royal St Marks in "Goldfinger".  But reading the latest wiki post on this, it appears that Bond's match against Goldfinger was based more on Fleming's experience (in 1957, the year before he published the book) as Peter Thompson's partner in the Bowmaker Pro-Am at the Berkshire Golf Club.

Peter

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Re: SANDWICH: The 2014-15 Winter Tour Draws To A Close 1-15
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2015, 05:08:04 AM »
There are several acres of big hitting before and after so a power interruption is a blessing despite the rather straight forward nature of the hole.  

Try telling that to Thomas Bjorn!