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Jon Cavalier

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 04:55:10 PM »
"A source close to Jordan said that golf-course architect Tom Doak is Jordan’s top choice to build the course."

Interesting.
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Buck Wolter

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 04:55:54 PM »
Doak did not respond to requests seeking comment.
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Gary Sato

Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 05:20:21 PM »
Will Doak do it if it's as flat and feature less as Brad Faxon mentions?

Why not hire Tiger who lives close by?

Dean Stokes

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 05:25:03 PM »
Just what this area needs....another golf course!!! I believe I can guess the piece of land mentioned and it is flat as a pancake.
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PCCraig

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 05:26:23 PM »
"A source close to Jordan said that golf-course architect Tom Doak is Jordan’s top choice to build the course."

Interesting.

For some reason, I first thought this was a joke...and then I read the article. Wow. MJ has good taste!!
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 05:28:13 PM »
Doak did not respond to requests seeking comment.

Of course I wouldn't.  Rule #1 in this business [though it's seldom respected on Golf Club Atlas] is that it's the client's prerogative to decide who he's hiring and when and where to announce it, and it's not a done deal until then.

However Gary must be crazy if he thinks I wouldn't be interested.  Who wouldn't be?
« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 05:31:09 PM by Tom_Doak »

SL_Solow

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 05:29:18 PM »
I would be surprised if it is any flatter than the Rawls property

Buck Wolter

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 05:59:08 PM »
Doak did not respond to requests seeking comment.

Of course I wouldn't.  Rule #1 in this business [though it's seldom respected on Golf Club Atlas] is that it's the client's prerogative to decide who he's hiring and when and where to announce it, and it's not a done deal until then.

However Gary must be crazy if he thinks I wouldn't be interested.  Who wouldn't be?

I thought that lent a little gravitas to the story. Could be like Jones and MacKenzie at Augusta. What guy with some extra dough wouldn't join MJ's club, especially if he knew it was going to be a great course? He probably could have construction paid for with 20 calls.

To the crazy idea thread-- an extra 5 holes? As fast as MJ plays that would still only take 3 hours.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 06:02:42 PM by Buck Wolter »
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Philip Hensley

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 06:14:15 PM »
Any word on whether or not the use of a trolley or buggy would be allowed?

Jordan-Doak would be a great Client-Archie team.

David Davis

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 06:20:03 PM »
I wonder if Jordan being such a huge golf fan and decent player would be smart enough to keep his very strong opinions out of the mix. Would he allow the chosen architect to work their magic, carte blanche?

I say, it's doubtful. But then again it's his party and his money.
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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 06:33:12 PM »
From what I gather MJ has a fairly...ahem..."unique" way of playing the game and I would therefor imagine that golf cart paths would be 4 lane highways on a course that he would build.

Playing in 5  and 6-somes, each golfer in his own cart playing at breakneck speed for 4 and 5 figure sums. 54 holes per day, too.
He's also known as "the human ATM".







Jon Cavalier

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 06:40:04 PM »
Doak did not respond to requests seeking comment.

Of course I wouldn't.  Rule #1 in this business [though it's seldom respected on Golf Club Atlas] is that it's the client's prerogative to decide who he's hiring and when and where to announce it, and it's not a done deal until then.

However Gary must be crazy if he thinks I wouldn't be interested.  Who wouldn't be?

Hypothetically, do you view this as potentially a chance to build your Sand Hills/Shadow Creek, given a hypothetical "blank slate" and hypothetical "unlimited budget" like you mentioned in the first Confidential Guide?
« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 06:56:02 PM by Jon Cavalier »
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Eric Smith

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 06:59:02 PM »
Can't help but wonder if this nugget from a few days ago is relative:

Incidentally, I'm looking at signing up to do a new project on dead flat land right now.

archie_struthers

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 08:01:52 PM »


Lurking around Palm Beach this week , anyone care to give me the location ?  I would love to take a walkabout iat the  site in question if they know .
« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 08:17:47 PM by archie_struthers »

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2015, 08:14:16 PM »



Lurking around Palm Beach this week , anyone care to give me the location ?  I would love to take a walkabout iatnthe site in question if they know .

My best guess is off of Bridge Road, south of Medalist GC
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cary lichtenstein

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2015, 08:58:06 PM »
Jordan built an architectural gem of a home at the Bears Club, so I think he worked well with the architect and i know the builder had an excellent experience working for him. I know lots of guys who have been invited to play with Michael, and everyone had a great time and respect "Jordan Rules of Play"

Super up carts, cell phones and distractions are the order of the day...and your choke point is Michaels way of letting you select the wager. He is a first class gentleman all the way.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

JR Potts

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 11:18:33 PM »
How do we join?

Jonathan Webb

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2015, 07:38:11 AM »
Understand why he wants to build it in South Florida but if he or anyone is looking for a great sandy site with 100+ ft. of elevation change I've got a couple in mind closer to the center of the state.

Jim Nugent

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2015, 07:47:16 AM »
Cary, what distractions do you mean? 

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2015, 09:35:01 AM »
Jordan built an architectural gem of a home at the Bears Club, so I think he worked well with the architect and i know the builder had an excellent experience working for him. I know lots of guys who have been invited to play with Michael, and everyone had a great time and respect "Jordan Rules of Play"

Super up carts, cell phones and distractions are the order of the day...and your choke point is Michaels way of letting you select the wager. He is a first class gentleman all the way.

This is a brilliant argument for approving MJ's project so that all of his buddies can play that special brand of "sh*t-show" golf in the private confines of their own club. Cell phones, four figure bets, 6-somes, carts, cigars everywhere - sounds to me like the script for some low-brow Golf Channel reality TV show that is mocked globally and highlights yet another example of how the apocalypse is soon upon us....;-)

Then, Hank Haney can show up and give everybody lessons while dissing Tiger. After all, from whom did Tiger learn his "off-course moves"? (pre-2008)

MJ a gentleman? Really? Human ATM maybe.

Steve Lapper

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2015, 10:34:12 AM »
 Cary is spot-on. MJ is a gentleman and a ball of fun to be around. How can I make this statement?

 Back in my Chicago days, I was fortunate enough to have bought front-row, court-side, end of the Bulls bench season tkts in the old Chicago Stadium. I sat in them from the days of a raving Doug Collins, cheap-shots from Pistons, do-or-die matches with the Cavs, and every Championship ring. Following the Tarheel rookie tradition, MJ kept his seat at the end of the bench and we became friendly, resulting in multiple poker and golf games.

  MJ's larger-than-life personality is mostly accurate. He likes to wager, smoke large cigars, trash-talk his competitors and partners, and race around the course(s) in carts (back then it was the only way he could get in 18+ holes on game days and 36-54 on others). We walked a number of times as well. His game was very solid (not quite as good as his GHIN for a while there ;)) and his short-game skills were sharp. His long-game was inconsistent at best. It didn't much matter because if you couldn't handle his verbal pressure, he'd have enough to beat you. The guy is the single most competitive human being I've ever known.

  His time on the links was solely for he and his friends...not his fans, sponsors, agents, or entourage. I watched him turn down a golf business that wanted to pay him over $2MM (in 1990) for his name. He wanted to keep golf seperate. Sure, the ladies loved him and fawned themselves all over the guy 24/7/365. I've seen multiple carts of all types of them come out and attempt to distract him. Foremost, the guy loved golfing with his buddies more than anything (other than competitively dominating every other professional basketball team during his era 8)).

  Thought I've only run into MJ on a rare occasion since those Chicago days, I know his passion for golf remains unabated. His desire to start his own club makes perfect sense. He wants to be around his pals, play 36+ a day, stay insulted from obtrusive fans and distractions and live his life his way. What's wrong with that?? Make fun of him for his golf-style if you wish, but your club=your rules.

 We should all be so lucky to have his success and be able to manifest his passion for golf any which way he wants to. He's plenty smart and his pursuit of Tom Doak reflects just that. I'm sure he spoke to Jack and others, but for him, Tom Doak represents one of the best in his field and Michael knows excellence when he sees it. I'd bet MJ will completely respect Tom as well as seek to learn golf architecture from him. That's his lifelong M.O.

Let's all be happy Florida may well add one more very good course to it's resume.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2015, 11:14:58 AM by Steve Lapper »
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2015, 12:49:52 PM »
Why would Jordan not buy one of the many golf courses that are for sale?

He could remodel it and probably save $20 million.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2015, 02:41:22 PM »

Why would Jordan not buy one of the many golf courses that are for sale?

He could remodel it and probably save $20 million.

Joel,

To my knowledge, there aren't any "golf" courses for sail in his area.

I don't think he's concerned about saving 20M as much as he is with starting with a clean slate and doing EVERYTHING his way.


cary lichtenstein

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Re: Air Jordan considering a new golf club in Hobe Sound?
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2015, 03:50:11 PM »
Why would Jordan not buy one of the many golf courses that are for sale?

He could remodel it and probably save $20 million.

There is nothing for sale here. We do not suffer from the golf malaise going on thru out the country.We have a slew of excellent courses both private and gated communities. Without identifying each club, memberships cost as follows:
$300,000
175,000
175,000
150,000
130,000
115,000
100,000
100,000
100,000
80,000
65,000
60,000
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

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