Zach: if a par-4 was to be played like a Redan, it would require a long second shot but this is Raynor adapting the concept. He was not always trying to create a true two-shot Redan, but using the green design on a two-shot hole. At Yale's 8th and Fishers Island's 12th, the slope injects itself into the approach shot depending on location of the hole and the angle of the approach. The slope can be a hindrance or a help. If the tee shot is off line to the side of the kick slope, playing over it on the approach is a rule concern, land the golf ball on the slope and it can kick the shot off the green. Conversely, if the tee shot is misplayed to the opposite side of the slope, using the slope as a backstop can be the best way to get onto the putting surface. There is a risk, however. A shot played too far and over the slope results in an automatic double bogey, at best.
Anthony
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Anthony,
That makes a lot of sense. The hole that came to mind for me with that kick slope is #2 at Pasatiempo, where you can feed the ball onto the green from the side slope in front, but would be more difficult to hold the green from that side. Is that a good example?