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Joe_Tucholski

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A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« on: February 16, 2015, 05:37:32 AM »
When the topic of bashing Golf Digest comes about I usually interject that I still get some enjoyment of reading the magazine (I don't work for or know anyone who works for GD) and point to the newish architecture feature penned under Jack Nicklaus' name.  This month brought strategy of the "feel good" par three to the commoner.  I joke about the name but honestly I'm glad GD has these feature articles.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2015-02/jack-nicklaus-playing-downhill-slopes
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Bill_McBride

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2015, 07:32:32 AM »
I wonder why he doesn't just call it a "Redan?"
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Joe_Tucholski

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 08:11:38 AM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 16, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
I wonder why he doesn't just call it a "Redan?"

 ;D  I wondered the same thing, it would have brought the education level up a bit more with appropriate terms.
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jeffwarne

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 08:37:07 AM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 16, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
I wonder why he doesn't just call it a "Redan?"

Redan's don't have 5 sets of tees...... ::) ::) ::)
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Bill Brightly

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2015, 07:08:07 PM »
Quote from: jeffwarne on February 16, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 16, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
I wonder why he doesn't just call it a "Redan?"

Redan's don't have 5 sets of tees...... ::) ::) ::)

I have less problem with 5 sets of tees than I do Jack suggesting that he designed the hole on his own without referencing that it is obviously based up the Redan...
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Bill_McBride

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2015, 07:19:48 PM »
Quote from: Bill Brightly on February 16, 2015, 07:08:07 PM
Quote from: jeffwarne on February 16, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 16, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
I wonder why he doesn't just call it a "Redan?"

Redan's don't have 5 sets of tees...... ::) ::) ::)

I have less problem with 5 sets of tees than I do Jack suggesting that he designed the hole on his own without referencing that it is obviously based up the Redan...

Wait a minute, Jack "Karnak" Nicklaus didn't invent the Redan?
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Garland Bayley

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2015, 07:37:05 PM »
Beg to differ, as this is not a Redan. A Redan is difficult. This offers a backstop to steer my high handicap, wildly directed shot onto the green and make me feel good. Thanks Jack!
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2015, 07:52:27 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 16, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
I wonder why he doesn't just call it a "Redan?"

Looks like it would have to a liberal interpretation.

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Bill Brightly

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2015, 08:16:46 PM »
Quote from: Jim_Kennedy on February 16, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 16, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
I wonder why he doesn't just call it a "Redan?"

Looks like it would have to a liberal interpretation.


Why, Bill? Except for playing slightly downhill, it has all of the elements of a Redan. Kickmound, angled green, Redan bunkering. 
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2015, 08:45:28 PM »
Bill,
I think Bill McBride was agreeing with you.

If you meant me - it's only a guess from the photo, never seen the hole in person. I could be wrong, and 'liberal' might be an overstatement,  but just how much of the Redan concept is lost if the green is as it appears in the photo - pretty tame with what appears to be a raised rear section?

George, 1999:
What more accurate way to describe a ‘Redan’ than Macdonald’s own words? ‘Take a narrow tableland, tilt it a little from right to left, dig a deep bunker on the front side, approach it diagonally, and you have a Redan.’ Bear in mind when Macdonald says ’tilt,’ he means it. At National, hole #4 falls over five feet from front to rear.



  
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DMoriarty

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2015, 09:09:39 PM »
Too bad the description was written as if it were his original idea.   

On the other hand, it is nice to read that the Nicklaus people are "occasionally" designing and building such holes.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: A new template name - the "feel good" par 3
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2015, 01:08:19 PM »
A Redan is uphill and has the green run away from you.  It doesn't have a backstop.  This looks like a modified (and rather easier) version.  I wouldn't think of this as a Redan.
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