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Niall C

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Re: Books on golf architecture
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2011, 03:44:18 PM »
Brian

Thanks for the link. What amazed me was the number of items signed by Tiger. For a guy who supposedly doesn't do autographs he certainly seems to have put his name on a lot of stuff.

Niall

Howard Riefs

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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2011, 06:57:54 PM »
I'm in the process of adding to my 'library' of golf books.

Are there any books/bios specifically about Raynor that are recommended or in existence?  I can't find much of anything online via Library of Congress, Amazon, Abebooks, Alibris, etc.

Secondly, it's been 10 years since T Doak published a new book. Tom, not that you haven't been busy, but any chance there's a book up your sleeve? Are you still pursuing the Pac Dunes book referenced on your site? 

http://www.renaissancegolf.com/thoughts/books_by_tom_/   
"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Joe Stansell

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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2011, 07:42:14 PM »
I own several of the books mentioned, but I somehow came into possession of another entitled, The Great Golf Courses of America, by John Gordon. This much I can say about this book: it captured the imagination of my two young sons, who borrowed it from my bookshelf and joyfully thumbed through its many pages of photographs.

Dale Jackson

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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2011, 08:31:46 PM »
On Amazon to add to my collection and ran across this entry, with which I am not familiar.  Any comments.

The book of the links; a symposium on golf: Martin Hubert Forquett Sutton, HS Colt and Bernard Darwin editors
I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

Chris Burgard

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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2011, 09:20:20 PM »
Dale,

The Book of the Links covers many topics from design to greenskeeping, including two chapters by Colt.

It is not top 10 for me, but I found parts worthwhile.

It is in the public domain and can be downloaded here http://www.archive.org/details/bookoflinkssympo00sutt

Cheers,
Chris

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2011, 11:55:27 PM »
The Links is my favorite. Hunter is an interesting writer. Being involved now in the only hunter design — Mira Vista [aka Berkeley CC] — I can say that he way a quick student, obviously taking his lead (eventually) from Ross and Mackenzie, and following his newfound interest in golf in the late 10s and early 20s.

Of course, it would pain my college-bound daughter if I did not mention Bunkers, Pits & Other Hazards and Routing the Golf Course both favorites because they contribute to her education fund.     ;)

I too am a fan of the latter.  It's an interesting compendium of the most famous hazards in golf.   Good stuff. 

Howard Riefs

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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2015, 03:09:23 PM »
The top 5 according to Geoff Shackelford:

1. Golf Architecture in America – G. Thomas
2. Spirit of St. Andrews – MacKenzie
3. Architectural Side of Golf – Simpson and Weathred
4. The Links – R. Hunter
5. Scotland’s Gift –Golf – MacDonald

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/shackelfords-best-books-golf-course-architecture/



"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Ian Andrew

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2015, 03:59:37 PM »
some others not mentioned:


18 Stakes on a Sunday Afternoon by Geoff Cornish - lovely small details

Missing Links and Lost Links By Danial Wexler is great for perspective on people like George Thomas

The Future of Golf in America is my favorite Geoff Shackelford book - love the "look forward" on architecture

"Appreciate the constructive; ignore the destructive." -- John Douglas

Gib_Papazian

Re: Books on golf architecture
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2015, 05:22:32 PM »
Gentlemen,

The foregoing suggestions cover my personal library pretty well, but I'm not sure Golf By Design (Jones Jr.) is getting enough credit here. It is one of the few books that combines practical advice on how to decipher a list of common strategies and arrangements from the perspective of an architect - and then how to attack them from the viewpoint of a player. In that way, the book is unique in some respects.

Bobby gets a bad rap here in the Treehouse for a variety of reasons, none of which hold water. I've spent some time with him one-on-one and yes, he's an usual personality - with that sort of far-off Bob Weir look in his eyes while at the same time incredibly erudite and observant. I was a little surprised the book was written with so much detailed, concrete clarity because in person, Bob tends to explain concepts and ideas using much more ethereal language.

It is possible he had an editor  ;) who took his intellectual meanderings and formalized them into tight prose - but since all of us are players as well as design critics, I'd recommend it. I made it required reading for my golf team since most of them arrived at school with 10x more brawn than brains.

I didn't see anybody mention Arnie's book: Situation Golf (1970 I think). There isn't much architecture in there per se, but the bulk of the book is devoted to reading golf holes and devising a strategy commiserate with your skill level. Slightly off topic, but not really.

Three other books just occurred to me - although not strictly about architecture, are full of rich descriptive prose of individual holes.

#1. To the Linksland. (Michael Bamberger).
#2. Blasted Heaths and Blessed Greens (James Finegan)
#3. Emerald Fairways and Foam-Flecked Seas. (James Finegan)

Maybe Bamberger's book is more a travelogue, I don't know. But playing courses through the eyes of a caddy on the Euro Tour was quite insightful.

If we really want to go to the bottom of the metaphysical and metaphorical well, Golf In The Kingdom . . . . . .  

          
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Mike_Young

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Re: Books on golf architecture
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2015, 06:56:25 PM »
All books mentioned are worthy of the list but anytime someone ask me for a book that explains golf design I tell them to start with TD's Anatomy of a Golf Course.  In one or two nights a person can get the gist of what is happening and either wish to read others or say "ok" have had enough.  It makes it simple...sort of like Hogan's 5 Lessons while some of the others seem to explain it like Homer Kelly's Golf Machine.
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

John Foley

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2015, 09:22:16 PM »
I just re-read Lost Links & Missing Links - such a great concept and so well researched.

My go to books are The Evangelist of Golf & The Golden Age of Golf.

I'm hoping someone (that we all know and love) can comment on when we may see the great follow up book on Seth Raynor??
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David Stamm

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2015, 09:45:39 PM »
I'll second Gib's recommendation of Jim Finegan's books. Great reads.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Colin Macqueen

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2015, 10:16:17 PM »
Gentlemen,

The set of architecture books I have gravitated to is the six volume set  "Golf Architecture" by Paul Daley.  I find it pleasant to read as one can dip in and out of it as the chapters are free-standing essays by all and sundry including many of the glitterati from Golf Club Atlas!
For example I just now pulled down, at random, one of the volumes and flicked it open.  I am greeted by an essay "Cart-path design: making the best of a bad situation"  by one Jeffrey D. Brauer.  Anybody heard of this chap!!?
I can settle down for a 5 minute read and a few minutes cogitation. Wonderful stuff.

John F. you wonder "aloud" about a follow up book on Seth Raynor.  I fantasise about the book that has been dangled in front of us for many a long day. I want to see Geoff Shackleford's (and Tommy Naccarato's?) definitive book about Max Behr…. not just be tantalised!!

Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

JC Jones

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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2015, 10:51:38 PM »
All books mentioned are worthy of the list but anytime someone ask me for a book that explains golf design I tell them to start with TD's Anatomy of a Golf Course.  In one or two nights a person can get the gist of what is happening and either wish to read others or say "ok" have had enough.  It makes it simple...sort of like Hogan's 5 Lessons while some of the others seem to explain it like Homer Kelly's Golf Machine.

This is the correct answer.  Anatomy of a Golf Course remains the best book I've read on the subject and that includes most if not all of what has been mentioned on this thread. 
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Books on golf architecture
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2015, 07:56:18 AM »
I want to be thought of as a 'lifelong learner', and I'd like to see myself as a humble 'student of the craft', and I'd like to say that I'm 'here to learn', and I'd like to assume that the complex world of golf course architecture requires a lifetime of careful study. But the truth is I read "Anatomy of a Golf Course" one time and thought to myself: 'Okay, that's clear to me now -- I got it, thanks'. And, sad to say, I can't convince myself otherwise...

Peter

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BCrosby

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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2015, 08:17:57 AM »
All books mentioned are worthy of the list but anytime someone ask me for a book that explains golf design I tell them to start with TD's Anatomy of a Golf Course.  In one or two nights a person can get the gist of what is happening and either wish to read others or say "ok" have had enough.  It makes it simple...sort of like Hogan's 5 Lessons...

Agree.

Sean_A

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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2015, 08:57:35 AM »
I want to be thought of as a 'lifelong learner', and I'd like to see myself as a humble 'student of the craft', and I'd like to say that I'm 'here to learn', and I'd like to assume that the complex world of golf course architecture requires a lifetime of careful study. But the truth is I read "Anatomy of a Golf Course" one time and thought to myself: 'Okay, that's clear to me now -- I got it, thanks'. And, sad to say, I can't convince myself otherwise...

Peter



Pietro

I am in your camp.  I have no need to continuously read architecture "theory" books.  Its pretty simple stuff once read and experienced.  The complications come with individual projects and that is the archie's job to sort and sort well.  Maybe they write a book about it, maybe not...no big deal either way.  Not a single theory book would make my 24 inch golf shelf (I am downsizing  :D)...for a few reasons other than its basic stuff.  First, because of the subject matter theory books don't have the same lovely prose that some other genres can afford.  In fact, stuff like Behr & Low is unreadable...its that badly written...I read for pleasure so the writing must be pleasurable.  Second, I get plenty of theory on this site...more than any book could expound upon. 

Ciao
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Books on golf architecture
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2015, 10:31:42 AM »
All of the ones I like mentioned, just reread Doak's on Mackenzie, but also like the coffee table books of Darius Oliver, Planet Golf, great photographs and course reviews.

Sven Nilsen

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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2015, 11:42:38 AM »
1930 suggestions -




"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

George Pazin

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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2015, 12:37:46 PM »
...I read for pleasure so the writing must be pleasurable.

Not me. I "read" golf books for the pics. It's golf porn. :)

To that end, I offer Classic Golf Links of England, Scotland by Donald Steel, any volume of Paul Daley's Golf Architecture: A Worldwide Perspective", and, my own personal favorite, the Barnbougle Dunes course history book, generously gifted to me by the amazing Ed Getka.

Just open up any of those to any page and you will say "Wow!"
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Sean_A

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« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2015, 06:45:19 AM »
...I read for pleasure so the writing must be pleasurable.

Not me. I "read" golf books for the pics. It's golf porn. :)

To that end, I offer Classic Golf Links of England, Scotland by Donald Steel, any volume of Paul Daley's Golf Architecture: A Worldwide Perspective", and, my own personal favorite, the Barnbougle Dunes course history book, generously gifted to me by the amazing Ed Getka.

Just open up any of those to any page and you will say "Wow!"

George

Classic Golf Links definitely makes my 24 Inch Golf Shelf.  This is the book which introduced me to links and remains the book I look at most. Others mentioned that would make my shelf: World Atlas of Golf (goes without saying) and the Finegan Trilogy.   

Ciao
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cary lichtenstein

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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2015, 06:50:44 AM »
"The World Atlas of Golf" would have to be on everyone's Top-10 list. It is hard to imagine a more comprehensive introduction to the great golf courses of the world that includes an explanation of what makes those courses great. 

I cut my arch teeth with this book
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta