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V. Kmetz

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OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« on: January 20, 2015, 05:51:19 PM »
...to assess, critique, praise or merely observe the 2013 US Open at Merion.

Before, during and after the event on the board there was a lot of stuff good and bad... reports about the influence of the USGA hosting an event there, what impact it had on the long-regarded architectural values of the course, what bastardizations were necessary to make par a near-winning score, how the course would lose some of its previous character to the paradigms left there by hosting.

I don't have much experience with Merion, (I've only visited once for the 2nd day of the Amateur) but between this board, my gobbling up of the tournament, and my unquenching curiosity to seek out facts and observations from all quarters of great architecture, I think I undersatnd it on a basic level.

 I felt the tournament was a success from an exhibition standpoint. A great winner and several worthy and/or interesting players contended, the play was exacting and nail biting from the end of the second day on.

The "stations of the cross" that constitute all the navigations, sunny ports and possible disasters of this course were well focused, and I felt like I came to understand almost every shot, and every playing "flow" that the players had to tackle to remain or advance in contention.  I knew what championship pressure was on a players shot and it was compelling. The conduct of the tournament made me want to play the course even more (from a 500 yard lesser tee, mind you) than I had desired before...and that was a great deal.

So I guess I'm asking whether or not the Open at Merion was a good choice for golf and GCA; why or why not?

1. Did it open any eyes as to how a smaller course can still be exacting... or did it rely on tired "par-seeking" artificialities to produce a winner just a bit more fortunate than the next eight guys?
2. Was the course inexorably scarred from its previous character or value, or did the preparations translate the essence of the course in a contemporary light?
3. Has the quality of Merion been inexorably damaged or has been infused with new vigor?
4. Were the members and the USGA soured with the experience, or did they say..."Hey, that was pretty good!"

You know, stuff like that...

cheers

vk
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Tim Martin

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2015, 06:25:05 PM »
Vin-As to the 4th and final question I believe the members and the USGA came away thrilled with the experience. Additionally the community rallied around the notion that Merion could still make it happen and did everything necessary to facilitate a wonderful tournament. I think the naysayers were mostly silenced and that the door may now be ajar for a few venues that many thought were no longer relevant as US Open sites. Personally I can't wait for the USGA to bring the US Open back to Merion!

Tom_Doak

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2015, 07:42:08 PM »
 I think the naysayers were mostly silenced and that the door may now be ajar for a few venues that many thought were no longer relevant as US Open sites.

Nay.

I love Merion but I hope the 2013 U.S. Open does not convince other classic courses to blow themselves up and bend over backwards to host a golf tournament.

Joe Bausch

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2015, 07:49:14 PM »
 I think the naysayers were mostly silenced and that the door may now be ajar for a few venues that many thought were no longer relevant as US Open sites.

Nay.

I love Merion but I hope the 2013 U.S. Open does not convince other classic courses to blow themselves up and bend over backwards to host a golf tournament.

I'm all ears if you can expand upon the above, Tom.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2015, 09:28:10 PM »
VK - I know you're not lying about this, but I have to ask anyway: did you actually want to play the course "even more" after watching it host the Open? 

But I really should drop this. I clearly have developed some deep bias against the place. All that in your face "architecture" packed into such a small space did nothing at all for me, except maybe make me feel over-stimulated and vaguely claustrophobic

Peter

Sean_A

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2015, 03:57:28 AM »
Pietro

I am not sure I understand the "in your face architecture" comment.  Can you explain?

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V. Kmetz

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2015, 10:09:51 AM »
Hi

PP,

Though it doesn't exempt me from future hyperbole, yes I genuinely did; it wasn't a fawning over-statement of the moment.  I haven't played (sadly) but six rounds of golf in three years but am with the game almost every day (as a caddy, a poster, a writer). I mostly get my thrills these days from visualizing other's exploits...and my zest for myself playing went up appreciably... here at this course, which was one my radar for like 12 years. Of course that wasn't in a vacuum, I was watching the tournament, hearing the commentators, referencing the great threads that have debated features of this course with constitutional ardor. I was referencing old books (like wind's compendium, "The Complete Golfer") and of course visualizing a match between me and my friends, and how I would play conservatively on #2 if Joe hit his enormous power banana into the road, and Rob screaming about how the 5th green is unfair after I tie him with a bogey...things like that.  Yes, the US Open presentation at Merion made me want to play it more.

TD,

So if I'm hearing the bottom line correctly, you are saying that whatever increased value of enjoyment the tournament yielded, it is not worth it if it is a model for other classic older courses wishing to host an Open and have their course "stand-up." The profits aren't worth the price. Is that right?

That aside, I have to ask you-not as challenge, but as a matter of information--what was "blown-up" and how did they "bend?" How was the architectural product compromised by the procedures deemed necessary to host and Open. did it leave any permanent scars? Was the course substantively changed from what had been? Is this version worse? better? or merely no-longer historically accurate? Which were a few of the most telling features that make this clear. i really don't know, except for a few tee lengthenings and work on the 15th hole.

but thanks all for your remarks; it is the kind of discussion I was hoping to prompt.

cheers

vk
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Tom_Doak

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2015, 11:01:33 AM »
TD,

So if I'm hearing the bottom line correctly, you are saying that whatever increased value of enjoyment the tournament yielded, it is not worth it if it is a model for other classic older courses wishing to host an Open and have their course "stand-up." The profits aren't worth the price. Is that right?

That aside, I have to ask you-not as challenge, but as a matter of information--what was "blown-up" and how did they "bend?" How was the architectural product compromised by the procedures deemed necessary to host and Open. did it leave any permanent scars? Was the course substantively changed from what had been? Is this version worse? better? or merely no-longer historically accurate? Which were a few of the most telling features that make this clear. i really don't know, except for a few tee lengthenings and work on the 15th hole.


VK:

Part of the reason my perspective is different than others' is that I don't place as much credit on the "increased value of enjoyment the tournament yielded" as others do.  I realize that many members get a great ego boost from having their course hold a big tournament and it will impress their friends for years to come.  I visit courses to enjoy the course, not to compare myself to Justin Rose [or to Hogan].

For that, the club went through years of revisions.  10-15 years ago they excised all the bushy plants from the bunkers, that were the most unique stylistic feature of the course I knew in the 1980's, and deepened the bunkers with a tournament in mind.  They narrowed the fairways to 1/3 their original width.  The USGA asked them to rebuild the 12th and 15th greens, which they did, and perhaps others, for all I know.  Back tees I have no issue with, if they don't require other changes in concert, though it is a shame if anyone thinks the 3rd at Merion is meant to be played at 270 yards.

Now, Merion has been through all this before, and I hear that this fall they were restoring the course to what it was before [minus the Scotch broom in the bunkers].  If they can do so successfully, then I guess they just spent a bunch of the USGA's money to host a tournament, and there is little long-term damage done. 

But they've left everyone with the impression that to host an Open you HAVE TO MAKE THESE SORTS OF CHANGES.  That's a terrible precedent which many other courses that won't host the Open will now feel compelled to follow.  [As an example, when I was building Cape Kidnappers, we were asked to put in some back tees for the professionals because Mr. Robertson saw what they had to do to Shinnecock Hills, where he is a member.]  In my opinion, they could have left the course alone, saved millions, and had a great Open where the winning score was 2-4 shots lower ... but the USGA and the R & A have not left a course alone for more than ten years now.  They insist on changes to every venue no matter what its track record, at the same time they insist that the equipment has not changed anything over that time frame.

The other part is that after the Open, most clubs leave the course as it was set up for the Open, thinking that they'll have the tournament again, or that members and guests want to play that set-up.  It took Pinehurst several years to restore their course after the horrific fairway lines that were established for the two Opens and the U.S. Amateur ... so, that was 15 years of less enjoyment for visitors in return for having hosted the tournaments.  It took Shinnecock Hills 20 years to widen the course back out after they narrowed it for the Open in 1986.  That's the cost that I object to.

Jud_T

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2015, 11:28:36 AM »
They narrowed the fairways to 1/3 their original width. 

This alone, as a visual for an impressionable worldwide viewership, is all the evidence that is needed.  Everything else is just gravy...
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

V. Kmetz

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2015, 01:38:35 PM »
Hi,

TD, thank you for taking the time, that's  the contextual breakdown I was seeking.

By "enjoyment" I wasn't intending to mean Rose vs Hogan; I just meant it in the spirit that you originally stated, a general pleasure at watching the tournament there.

I guess that leaves me with the follow-ups...

Scotch Broom - I see this in older photos, I love the look too...what was the reason the club was influenced to take it out? What was it going to do to golfers or to spectators

Back tees - I can't speak to each instance, but I see that the 270 tee on #3 is growing over.

Were the green reconstructs on #12 and #15 a significant alteration to playing properties, or just a needless ramp-up to host and Open

Thanks to you and other respondents for the time..

cheers

vk
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Matt Bielawa

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Re: OK...with a little distance, maybe now is the best time...
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2015, 02:07:19 PM »
I believe the plants within the bunkers were kept in two locations:

The front bunker on #13 and the left fairway bunker on #18.  That's the only place I noticed their presence.  There is plenty of extremely penal grass in the yard of so surrounding the bunkers, but not within them.





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