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Ian Andrew

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2014, 12:34:40 PM »
Shoreacres ...

Since I had played the course a few times, I had perspective of what it was ... and I too thought that the course had made a major leap forward in presenting the architecture. The grassing around the creeks and greens stood out to me.


Chicago Golf - scale, scale, scale - and once again the importance of rolling grassing lines over important edges

St. Andrew's Eden (Front nine) - best example of interior diagonals in green contours that I have seen.

Fraserburg - proof that engaging play has greater value that aesthetics - I would play it any day over Trump's course

Choosing one - I would select Chicago - exceeded my very high expectations

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Howard Riefs

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2014, 05:28:09 PM »
Brunswick Country Club.  Some of the best greens I saw all year.

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Rees Milikin

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2014, 05:39:19 PM »
Brunswick Country Club.  Some of the best greens I saw all year.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,49870.msg1420146.html#msg1420146

Completely forgot to add them to my honorable mention list, and yes those greens are so good!

Mark Arata

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2014, 05:57:35 PM »
Golf De Saint-Germain and Hardelot - Les Pins in France..... shocked at how good Saint Germain was, and really enjoyed Hardelot, couldnt believe how much it reminded me of MPCC/CPC in some spots... the courses in France in general were all better than my expectations.
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Cory Lewis

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2014, 06:11:52 PM »
Belvedere in Northern Michigan.  Top 100 caliber classic course.  Great routing and fantastic set of greens.
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Steve Wilson

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2014, 10:09:16 PM »
St. Enodoc.  I was expecting to be enthralled by two holes, the sixth and the tenth, but the only weak hole I saw was the 11th, and you have to have some way of getting from the 10th to the rest of the course.  Just a fabulous experience.  And what an introduction to golf in England.  Painswick followed by St. Enodoc.

Even though the sixteenth attracted some controversy and negative commentary since they had moved the green back, I quite enjoyed it as an extremely challenging and thought provoking three shorter.
 
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Joe Zucker

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2014, 10:16:52 PM »
I'll have to say Mid Pines.

I took a trip to Pinehurst and played Pine Needles, Mid Pines, Dormie Club, Southern Pines, and Tobacco Road. All were great courses and a lot of fun to play, but I did not expect to enjoy Mid Pines over the rest.  It was just a lot of fun (probably because it is so playable) and it looked very cool with all the sandy waste areas.  It's hard to beat golf in Moore County.

Brian Finn

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2014, 11:16:57 PM »
I played quite a few new courses this year, and a handful substantially exceeded my expectations.

1.  Wilshire CC - hard to believe a course that great, right in the middle of LA, doesn't get more attention (although I am sure the members prefer it that way).

2.  Dismal River White - as much fun as I had on a golf course all year. Plenty of birdies available, but doubles and triples always lurking. 

3.  Oakland Hills South - brilliant, challenging, but playable...and fun!

4. Sleepy Hollow (Cleveland) - vastly underrated...check it out...seriously.

5. Orchard Lake CC - big, bold, heaving landforms...great mix of long, mid, and short holes...could play it over and over...
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Jeff Shelman

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2014, 11:34:06 PM »
Beverly was the course that exceeded my expectations this year.

I knew it was good, but I had no idea there was that much elevation change and that many cool holes on the South Side of Chicago.

I expected something that was cool, but quite flat. I didn't expect really, really cool.

Mark Pearce

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2014, 04:35:24 AM »
St Enodoc for me, too.  I expected very good and found better. 
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Ed Tilley

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #60 on: December 12, 2014, 05:38:33 AM »
St. Enodoc.  I was expecting to be enthralled by two holes, the sixth and the tenth, but the only weak hole I saw was the 11th, and you have to have some way of getting from the 10th to the rest of the course.  Just a fabulous experience.  And what an introduction to golf in England.  Painswick followed by St. Enodoc.

Even though the sixteenth attracted some controversy and negative commentary since they had moved the green back, I quite enjoyed it as an extremely challenging and thought provoking three shorter.
 

If you go to St.Enodoc thinking there are only 2 standout holes (6 and 10), then you are in for a massive treat. I would argue that these 2 holes aren't even in the best 9 holes on the course (1-4,14,16-18 all are better in my opinion and I also think 7 and 9 are at least as good.). 10 and, particularly, 6 are certainly the most memorable but that doesn't mean best.

16 is still a very good hole. It is only controversial as the old green site was natural and right up this website's alley! If you'd never played the old hole you'd just think 16 was another excellent hole amongst a load of excellent holes.

Jim Tang

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2014, 11:19:27 AM »
Beverly was the course that exceeded my expectations this year.

I knew it was good, but I had no idea there was that much elevation change and that many cool holes on the South Side of Chicago.

I expected something that was cool, but quite flat. I didn't expect really, really cool.

+1  I thought exactly the same thing about Beverly.  Such a great place!

Milwaukee also really surprised me.  I was impressed with the movement of the land.  The fairways have great width and the greens are huge.  The holes along the river are fantastic, but the interior holes have almost as much character and interest.  Plus, it was in great shape.

BCowan

Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2014, 11:47:20 AM »
Franklin Hills- Was lucky enough to play it twice this year.  The course has so many outstanding holes.  The routing, green complexes, and bunkering are very very good.  Due to the previous winter the course was kept soft this year, which was the only bummer. 

Orchard Lake- It was great to see a course do such an aggressive tree removal.  The bunkering is very solid.  It also shows that you can have a F&F course and have bent grass :D :D

Kirtland- This course is a true gem.  It re-approves my thinking that if I just played golf in Ohio, Michigan, and North Carolina i could be a very content golfer.  Ohio and Michigan have deep benches.  With more tree removal, Kirtland will be very very good. 

Southern Pines- Didn't expect such a great course.  It is no surprise that Chris and Ran play there.   

Carl Nichols

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2014, 01:36:29 PM »

The one course which really exceeded my expectations was Burning Tree.  You don't see many pictures of it anywhere, and the exclusive nature of the club discourages a lot of conversation about the course.  But I thought it was a terrific routing over a very interesting piece of ground, and there were more putts off greens in our three-ball than I saw anywhere else in 2014.


Tom-
Almost everybody I know who's played Burning Tree says something like "the course is perfectly fine, but the club is terrific."  I think the course is better than that, and it sounds like you do too.  I suspect there are lots of reasons for that reaction, including the comparison with the club and clubhouse (which is terrific), the fact that it's pretty easy (e.g., all of the par 5s are very reachable and really easy), and the fact that the course has the same feel (especially in the bunkering) as several other local clubs that were also renovated by Arthur Hills.  I didn't have a chance to play there before the Hills renovation, but I wonder whether that renovation took out some uniqueness.

Trevor

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2014, 03:02:42 PM »
Allegheny CC - Had no idea what to expect so I guess it was a low bar...but ended up having a ball and being blown away.  Loved the transition from coming up the hill on #9, entering the wonderfully minimal halfway hut, and walking out to #10 tee to what looks like a different golf course.
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Paul Gray

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2014, 03:43:19 PM »

The hole I would like to see them "do something about" is the 7th. With "advances" in technology it's caught betwixt and between. The answer might be as simple as moving the tee box. And lose a greenside bunker...maybe. OR just put it back the way it was. It's at the top of this comparo:
http://golfcoursehistories.com/BT.html

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No idea how you do that but excellent comparison. Malpractice might be too strong a term but certainly it doesn't appear to have faired well. Simply restore it would be my preferred option.
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Sean_A

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2014, 07:31:21 AM »
For 2014 I would have to say Walton Heath New.  I can't say it is better than the Old, but I do like the higher playability aspect due to much wider fairways than the Old.  Still, it is a pity there are so many earthworks-bunkering either in the rough and/or with sand removed.  I can imagine in the old days with wider fairways and the shorter ball that players tacked their way around these features.  Its quite strange the course could be so appealing despite the flatish nature of the terrain and greens.  Yet somehow, Fowler managed to provide several tee shots which are obscured or blind.   

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Buck Wolter

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2014, 08:09:45 AM »
King Kamehameha on Maui was spectacular -- perhaps a little redundant with its mountainside routing but for a course that gets very little mention I thought it was compelling (one of the best conditioned courses I've ever played and easily the best clubhouse). Seems like people should be clamoring to play this -- maybe it's distance from the Ocean keeps it off the radar.
http://www.kamehamehagolf.com/frank-lloyd-wright.php

The other was Midland Hills Country Club in St Paul. Compares to St Louis CC as an in-town MacRaynor -- not quite as good but very good terrain and some terrific holes. The Biarritz (better than SLCC's) and the Punchbowl stood out to me. Wish I lived or worked a little closer as it would be an ideal 'GCA' membership.


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Matt MacIver

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2014, 08:15:41 AM »
Old Town, despite my high expectations. The hanging lies, numerous angles and varied playing options were astounding. Didn't know there were courses like that in the States.

CC of Sapphire Valley - a nice valley walk in mountain setting with a varied balance of shots and flow, with fun surrounds and greens.  Good amount of width but still can dump some balls in water hazards and occasionally OOB.

Greg Tallman

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2014, 11:33:41 AM »
Chielno Bay Club here in Los Cabos even though it was not quite ready when I last played it was clearly a wonderful course. Hopr to get another look this week with MWP. 

Lou_Duran

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2014, 11:40:03 AM »
The Fields, LaGrange, GA.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2014, 12:46:20 PM »
Old Town, despite my high expectations. The hanging lies, numerous angles and varied playing options were astounding. Didn't know there were courses like that in the States. 

Not that my games was mature enough in the fall of 1983 to make the Wake Forest team, but playing Old Town cemented my place as golf writer for the college paper. I had never seen a course like that one, even though I had played Pinehurst #2 18 months prior (albeit in its darkest period.) Old Town is the king of manageable but hanging lies and I hope to get back one day to revisit golf over its fairways.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2014, 01:07:25 PM »
One club that exceeded my expectations for its playability was Dunes Club, the 9-hole course in Michigan.

If you play, you must trust your caddie the first time round. So many shots must be played with a veteran eye on that course. After that first nine, you can start to rely on your intuition ... if you wish to play poorer. In other words, trust your caddie until you leave New Buffalo.

Dunes is touted as a tribute to Pine Valley. I've not been on Pine Valley, but if it is compared favorably with Dunes, then Pine Valley must be quite special.

Most great nine hole courses have a variety of teeing decks, to essentially create a second version of a hole. Whitinsville is an exception, as it is great without the variety of decks. Dunes does this magnificently on its par three holes, and to a degree, on the par four seventh and par five eight holes.

Dunes has so much fairway width. You have no need to try to bomb the ball, as the natural firmness of the sandy site will allow your ball to run out. If you strive for anything off the tee, it should be a punch-accuracy drive. Get the ball in play and work the ground game into the drive zone.

You don't need an aerial game at Dunes, if you are a confident chipper and putter. You can get the ball into position on or near every green in regulation, but your work with the scoring clubs will determine the fate of your tally. Only one shot (the approach into hole five) must carry an unforgiving hazard (pond). The approach into three and the tee ball on eight must also carry deep hazards, but for goodness sake, you shouldn't be playing there if you don't have a 110-yard wedge or a 150-yard tee ball.

A great course must have one controversial shot or hole, that as time goes by, becomes less controversial. I'm told that there was an overhanging branch on the eighth hole, in the lay-up zone for the second shot, that narrowed the hole even more. I had about five runs at the 8th hole and I don't believe I ever parred it. I just couldn't hit my second shot far enough to the right. Come to think of it, despite blistering four of five drives into the fairway on nine, I don't think I parred it, either. Just couldn't putt those days, I guess.

As others have expressed, I expected much from Dunes, but what I experienced exceeded those expectations in a lateral way. It wasn't greater, but it was better. It wasn't more challenging, but it was fairer. It wasn't tougher, but it was fun!
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Chris Mavros

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2014, 01:08:11 PM »
The Dye Preserve near West Palm Beach, FL.  I was expecting a nice Dye lay out, yet was really impressed with how subtle the design appeared, which allowed a better sense of the surrounding natural landscape.  It was one of the stand outs for me this year and much better than I was anticipating.

John Shimp

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Re: What course really exceeded your expectations in 2014?
« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2014, 08:17:25 PM »
Old Town Club.  This place is fantastic post the C&C redo.  Some of the best shots that I can remember playing.