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Jim_Coleman

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Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« on: December 08, 2014, 08:36:16 AM »
    Tiger says he can't chip because of the changes in his big swing.  Looks like the yips to me, and I've seen the chipping yips. 

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2014, 08:54:41 AM »
I am of the same mindset as Mark Roe, this whole...new release patterns...should not have to apply to the short game when one is making swing changes.

That bben said when you are in the process of making changes it is perhaps unavoidable that it creeps in.
BUT the problem with the chunks was Tiger being too steep and in the big swing he is trying to get shallower so that confuses me a little.
All I know is that is was painful to watch such a great player struggle,was it 7 times, with the same shot.

Terry Lavin

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2014, 09:06:34 AM »
He's decelerating and peeking early. Please pass it on to Tiger, along with all of the other unsolicited analysis. I myself won't sleep until Brandy has spoken on this issue.  8)
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J_ Crisham

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2014, 09:19:55 AM »
He's decelerating and peeking early. Please pass it on to Tiger, along with all of the other unsolicited analysis. I myself won't sleep until Brandy has spoken on this issue.  8)
I'm shocked Cary L hasn't chimed in yet ;)

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2014, 09:40:49 AM »
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2014, 09:44:54 AM »
For whatever reason, he's transferring his weight to his right foot on his takeaway. First thing a golfer learns is to keep weight on the left foot to avoid hitting behind the ball. Chipping 101.

PCCraig

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2014, 09:50:57 AM »
He's won 14 majors and 6 USGA Amateur titles...who am I to tell him he doesn't know what he's not making any sense??
H.P.S.

Paul Jones

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2014, 09:52:18 AM »
If you come from the inside with your chips, you will stub it.  I had this problem for a while, then my pro had chip with a cut swing and it fix everything.
Paul Jones
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Howard Riefs

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Marc Haring

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« Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 10:44:44 AM by Marc Haring »

Marc Haring

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2014, 10:49:24 AM »
In fact...ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch


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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2014, 11:08:11 AM »
Go out and play golf with a fever of 101 F and see how good you do. Wait...you wouldn't...you'd stay in bed and watch TV instead, or sleep.

I saw Bubba Watson and three others do similar things.

If you must judge, then wait until at least the second major of 2015.

Ken Moum

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2014, 11:22:39 AM »
In fact...ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch,ouch


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Since I cannot abide watching the pros play on TV, I missed all of that.  But his stroke on those shots looks like some of the crappy golfers I play with.

There's no chance that he's going to be able to pitch the ball with the clubhead coming up that quickly.

He needs to read his own advice http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/short-game/chipping/tigertips_gd0808

This video tells the the tale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg6-yXmK4Jo
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Brent Hutto

Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2014, 11:27:00 AM »
Good find, Ken. Whether it's the fever he was running or the time he spent with Foley or the new stuff he's working on for whatever reason he put on an exhibition of *exactly* what he warned against in that 2008 article.

I'm as prone to "how the mighty have fallen" uncharitable thoughts as the next guy but Tiger's duffed chips looked so much like my own chipping struggles that I felt a little bit queasy watching it. Not having seen much of his play these past few years, it just seemed like a Twilight Zone thing to see the guy who once had the greatest short game I've ever seen playing those shots like a 20-handicapper.

Greg Taylor

Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2014, 11:44:30 AM »
https://vine.co/v/OvIl5gjPJqW

That is not even slight miss - that's a proper chunk!

To be fair Bubba did three times and the experts all seemed to say Isleworth is tough around the greens... grain going the wrong way etc...

That all being said, he's a professional golfer. You'd have thought this was bread and butter.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2014, 11:54:26 AM »
Some of the good golfers around here have weighed in, so I shouldn't try to debate them on this. I will note that this weekend Tiger reminded me most of all of someone like Adam Scott several years ago (before Norman picked him for the President Cup team and boosted his confidence): a lovely and fluid long game swing, and then Mr Mechanical-No Feel with the short game.

Peter

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2014, 12:04:26 PM »
Go out and play golf with a fever of 101 F and see how good you do. Wait...you wouldn't...you'd stay in bed and watch TV instead, or sleep.

I saw Bubba Watson and three others do similar things.

If you must judge, then wait until at least the second major of 2015.


I was not judging merely stating that his logic really didnt make any sense.
Plus, did Bubba make the same mistake 8 times?
I think Tiger was swinging superbly, the best I have seen it in quite a while, but that whole release pattern jargon for the short game, I find hard to buy into....just my opinion.
Ask most top notch players and they will tell you the short game is NOT a mini swing and has different technical criteria, Tigers short game has NEVER mirrored his full swing.

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2014, 12:12:17 PM »
Whilst I am no fan of Tiger the person I think you have got to think he is just getting back into the swing of things after a lay off. What I think is more concerning for him is that it is over 6 years since his last major and when he his playing standard in them has not been the level he used to expect.

I think if he does not win one this year he might never.

Jon

Keith Kirkendall

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2014, 12:18:03 PM »
He's decelerating and peeking early. Please pass it on to Tiger, along with all of the other unsolicited analysis. I myself won't sleep until Brandy has spoken on this issue.  8)
I'm shocked Cary L hasn't chimed in yet ;)

That's what I think too.  He had little rhythm, and it looks like he's decelerating into the ball.  This is a patented hacker recipe for the outcome you saw him produce multiple times.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 12:19:47 PM by Keith Kirkendall »

Will MacEwen

Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2014, 12:34:31 PM »
You can talk all you like about Rory and fellow competitors but the only person that is gonna beat Tiger is Tiger.

With that line of thinking, he has been on fire in the majors. 

Dan Kelly

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2014, 12:36:38 PM »
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2014, 02:18:42 PM »
It's been good hearing so much about this chipping as there have been some nice tips going around which I intend to use the next time I hit the course. The main one being the leading edge is not your friend, the club should be at right angles with the ground at impact etc.

Bounce is your friend as long as you know how to use it ;D

Bill_McBride

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2014, 02:20:12 PM »
It's been good hearing so much about this chipping as there have been some nice tips going around which I intend to use the next time I hit the course. The main one being the leading edge is not your friend, the club should be at right angles with the ground at impact etc.

Please clarify and elaborate!

Ben Kodadek

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2014, 03:48:28 PM »



I was not judging merely stating that his logic really didnt make any sense.
Plus, did Bubba make the same mistake 8 times?
I think Tiger was swinging superbly, the best I have seen it in quite a while, but that whole release pattern jargon for the short game, I find hard to buy into....just my opinion.
Ask most top notch players and they will tell you the short game is NOT a mini swing and has different technical criteria, Tigers short game has NEVER mirrored his full swing.

If I recall correctly, Tiger never changed his putting or chipping motion under Haney.  He did however make changes to his chipping motion under Foley in an attempt to make "every swing the same" regardless of distance.  I would imagine that he is trying to rid his short game of the Foley method and that's why we are seeing him struggle.   

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Does Tiger's Chipping Explanation Make sense?
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2014, 04:47:46 PM »
I have heard that many tour players have been following Stricker's chipping methods and Tiger played with him - maybe he learned from that experience. Don't count him out quite yet.