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Tim Copeland

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Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« on: December 03, 2014, 12:24:00 AM »
I was a PM on this project for TDI Golf...I replaced a PM that had been asked to leave the project in June 2013.  Learned a great deal on this one.....and most of it had nothing to do with golf construction.

Looking for the next project so if anyone has any leads...I will drink coffee and listen........

https://www.sentryworld.com/Blog/Article/sentryworld-earns-spot-in-golf-digest-s-best-new-and-newly-remodeled-courses-for-2014-also-featured-on-gary-d-amato-s-golf-beat-and-gcsaa-tv

https://www.sentryworld.com/MediaGallery/Photos/Golf
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Morgan Clawson

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2014, 10:02:44 AM »
Forgive me - What is PM an acronym for?

Dan Kelly

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2014, 10:04:15 AM »
Project Manager, I presume.
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J_ Crisham

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2014, 12:29:49 PM »
Played Sentry World with its lead architect , Jay Blasi. What an improvement over the work Jones did. What was once pretty pedestrian golf is now a contender for top 6 in Wisconsin . Another home run by Jay.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2014, 12:56:33 PM »
I see it is still flat land with a lot of angles of play around water and sand.... and flowers.  Top 6 in WI... ?   
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J_ Crisham

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 01:11:29 PM »
I see it is still flat land with a lot of angles of play around water and sand.... and flowers.  Top 6 in WI... ?   
Yes, top 6 in Wisconsin . I assume you have yet to play it? The others that I put in the top 6 are Milwaukee CC, Blue Mound, Lawsonia, Straits, and River . Erin Hills is 7. UW , Big Fish, The Bull round out my top 10. Brown Deer, Tripoli, Ozaukee get honorable mentions. After multiple plays at the courses mentioned I feel comfortable with my rankings- I assume you have played these courses as well. Are you suggesting my top 10is missing a course ?

Derek Dirksen

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2014, 06:27:25 PM »
Yes there are still some angles but Jay took out the hard dog legs.  The flowers are still there on 16.  There was no way they were going to let us remove them.  That is Sentryworld's "signature".  A ton of trees were removed to open up the course.  It is quite a bit wider than before.  We softened the greens but Jay kept some interesting contours.  I think we got a great mix of contours in and around the greens for a site that doesn't have much movement.  The greens surrounds are tightly mowed and offer a variety of shots.  The bunkering as a whole was reduced in size and better billy bunker system was used.  The new holes on the east and south sides of the lake turned out pretty good. 

J_ Crisham

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2014, 07:49:59 PM »
I see it is still flat land with a lot of angles of play around water and sand.... and flowers.  Top 6 in WI... ?   
Yes, top 6 in Wisconsin . I assume you have yet to play it? The others that I put in the top 6 are Milwaukee CC, Blue Mound, Lawsonia, Straits, and River . Erin Hills is 7. UW , Big Fish, The Bull round out my top 10. Brown Deer, Tripoli, Ozaukee get honorable mentions. After multiple plays at the courses mentioned I feel comfortable with my rankings- I assume you have played these courses as well. Are you suggesting my top 10is missing a course ?

Nice to see Tripoli get a GCA shout out.  Always liked that course. 

Jack:   You're only missing Blackhawk. :)
Dave,  I also whiffed on Big Foot- maybe top 10-15? Very fun in any case- a course you would never grow tired of IMO .

Tim Copeland

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2014, 04:01:35 AM »
Yes there are still some angles but Jay took out the hard dog legs.  The flowers are still there on 16.  There was no way they were going to let us remove them.  That is Sentryworld's "signature".  A ton of trees were removed to open up the course.  It is quite a bit wider than before.  We softened the greens but Jay kept some interesting contours.  I think we got a great mix of contours in and around the greens for a site that doesn't have much movement.  The greens surrounds are tightly mowed and offer a variety of shots.  The bunkering as a whole was reduced in size and better billy bunker system was used.  The new holes on the east and south sides of the lake turned out pretty good.  

I think the new holes are spectacular!!  Especially knowing what it took to build them.......You are just being modest....

Derek is correct...the flowers stayed or we all would suffer...the new greens complexes really make the course...I would love to see them after growing in.

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Derek Dirksen

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2014, 06:25:12 PM »
Tim,

       I did go back and play over Labor Day weekend (I was in N Minnesota on a bunker rebuild).  I hardly ever get a chance to make it back and play what I shape.  Gary and his crew had the course in awesome shape.  The greens were so smooth and true.  Number 7 is still my favorite hole.  It was good to see the finished product after all the "headaches" during the rebuild.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2014, 12:23:39 AM »
J_, I obviously haven't played the newly remodeled course.  I am putting a question mark on top6 based only on my couple of plays there several years ago and the idea that there are some pretty decent courses in what might be a short list of top 20 or so that most would say are very good in WI.   A couple of plays at the old SW was enough for me and the old course certainly wouldn't be in my top 10, albeit I have only played about half of those you list. 

I certainly hope that SW has dressed up the previous design.  I don't say the previous design was horrible.  But, in my mind, just a modern design on a sandy but flat site, achieving merit as a good round of golf via angles, target LZs, high maintenance profile, and large unremakable greens and surrounds on a flat property.  The wow factor with of nice conditioning, and the flowers and sparkling lakes, and big flashy bunkers is also a public crowd pleaser.  But, I never thought it was much in the way of interesting design upon interesting ground.  It seems to me that on such a flatish site, one needs to have a lot of micro rolls and interesting grading to put some drama or sportiness into the equation.  The old SW didn't have much of that, or at least I didn't note it.

I would imagine that with the sandy soils up there in Stevens Point, that firm and fast conditions could be presented as a factor on a flatish site that has been re- shaped and re-arranged greens and surrounds. 

Ironically, we drove past it under its winter blanket just today and I really wondered about it.
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Derek Dirksen

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2014, 01:10:31 AM »
RJ,

     Yes some of SP is sandy.  In fact SP CC is all sand.  We only hit sand on hole 13 (southern most part of property).  I believe the site was a swampy/marsh before the golf course was built.  They had to blast out some of the lake. 

RJ_Daley

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2014, 01:33:51 AM »
So, more silt than sand, and more like construction in tidewater country, flat with all the features built with dredged material?  Waupaca Sand Co is only 35 miles away, so I guess that was a source of rootzone and tee box, along with bunker source. 

What is the current feeling about the attitude expressed by Mr Johanis back in the day regarding the notion of anyone caught trying to play a shot out of the flower beds will be asked to leave the property?  Is that still the prevailing notion of the current flower situation? 
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Derek Dirksen

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2014, 11:20:17 PM »
Not really a ton of silt.  We found a little bit of everything.  Grey clay in parts of the property all the way to reddish soil.  Not as many rocks as I was told we would have.  I thought I heard they even used soil from off site during original construction (I could be way off on this).  Yes, Waupaca provided everything but the bunker sand.  That came from out of state.  Actually ran into the Waupaca rep this fall at Erin Hills.

All I know about the flowers is they have a local rule in place.  I get why they wouldn't want anyone hitting out of there, there is a lot of time and money in those flower beds.   I personally cant stand the flowers but I get why they wanted to keep them.  Its their signature and their past. 

Phil McDade

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 02:09:45 PM »
Bumping, as the USGA has awarded the 2019 U.S. Girls' Junior championship to SentryWorld:


https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/articles/2017/12/sentryworld-to-welcome-2019-u-s--girls--junior.html


As always, one of the best ways to see and evaluate a course that you might not otherwise play is to walk it during tournaments.




V_Halyard

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Re: Sentry World is almost ready to play...Winning awards already
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2017, 03:15:39 PM »
Bumping, as the USGA has awarded the 2019 U.S. Girls' Junior championship to SentryWorld:


https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/articles/2017/12/sentryworld-to-welcome-2019-u-s--girls--junior.html


As always, one of the best ways to see and evaluate a course that you might not otherwise play is to walk it during tournaments.


Really enjoyed the renovated version. Confess to having the odd sensation that an old lady was going to come out and beat me with a 3 iron if I miss hit into the flowers... I know it says free drop but is it really?
 
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

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